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Broken radiator overflow nipple by Patrick
Started on: 10-14-2003 01:01 AM
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Report this Post10-14-2003 01:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

I just bought a '84 SE to keep company with my '87. It's got a few things that need repairing, including the radiator. The coolant overflow nipple (that the overflow tube connects to) has broken off of the plastic radiator cap housing. The broken piece is still stuck in the overflow tube. What kind of adhesive would be best used to glue this broken plastic overflow nipple back onto the radiator cap housing? Obviously it needs to be water tight. Suggestions would be most appreciated.
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Report this Post10-14-2003 03:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post
I had an email sent to me by a forum member suggesting I just buy a new coolant reservoir. Let me take this opportunity to emphasize that the problem is not with the coolant reservoir, it is with the radiator.

The sides of the radiator are made of plastic. The radiator cap housing is plastic. The coolant overflow nipple I'm referring to is immediately below the radiator cap. Since it is/was part of the housing, it's also plastic.

I'm hoping I can "glue" this nipple back onto the radiator. I haven't had much experience gluing plastic bits together, especially in a location where heat and water are a factor.

It's important that the coolant recovery system works properly on a Fiero because the coolant moves back and forth through this system as the engine heats up and cools down.

It seems a shame (as well as a waste of money) to replace the whole radiator just because of this broken nipple. I'd appreciate advice from anyone who might've repaired something like this before.

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Report this Post10-14-2003 04:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for karunjitSend a Private Message to karunjitDirect Link to This Post
Either "HELP" or "MOTORMITE" has a kit that fixes your problem. Basically, you drill the area where the nipple broke off and insert the replacement fitting from the inside of the filler neck. You then install and tighten a nut onto the outside of this fitting and you are good to go.........
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Report this Post10-14-2003 05:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

Thanks for the tip! I'll check at Canadian Tire (large auto supply chain) today to see if they carry the proper kit. I'll report my results.
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Report this Post10-15-2003 01:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

I went to one of the larger Canadian Tire stores in Vancouver and they didn't have a clue what I was asking about. I looked at their selection of "Help" parts and I couldn't see anything that looked like what I needed. Any chance that someone would have a part number for this repair kit?

If for some reason I can't track down one of these repair kits, I'm still open to suggestions as to the best way of sticking the broken nipple back onto the radiator.

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Report this Post10-15-2003 03:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ElectrathonClick Here to visit Electrathon's HomePageSend a Private Message to ElectrathonDirect Link to This Post
I don't think you will have much luck repairing it. The proper fix would be to replace the radiator tank.

If you give up I have a radiator out of an 84, standard trans, that I will sell for $10 but you get to pay shipping.

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Report this Post10-15-2003 04:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Electrathon:

If you give up I have a radiator out of an 84, standard trans, that I will sell for $10 but you get to pay shipping.

Thanks for the offer, but shipping a radiator from Oregon to BC would probably be more expensive than most local options.

I'm stubborn. I'll fix this nipple one way or another.

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Report this Post10-15-2003 04:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Korey JSend a Private Message to Korey JDirect Link to This Post
I have a radiator out of my 84 parts car. If you interested in it PM me. I will sell it to ya dirt cheap. How does 15 bucks sound? Let me know.

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Report this Post10-15-2003 05:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

Thanks Korey, but you're even farther away from British Columbia than Electrathon. The shipping would cost me more than the radiator.

I want to fix the one I have!

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Report this Post10-15-2003 05:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobrianSend a Private Message to fierobrianDirect Link to This Post
they have a jb weld stick looks like putty .it's a two part exposy you can use it anything . i would fill the crack and fill the inside then drill the hole out to the right size .p.s you can drill or tap after 48 hour great stuff if they don't have it by you p.m. me i can send it too you it's like $5.00 for a lot of it
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Report this Post10-15-2003 05:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for CarlcSend a Private Message to CarlcDirect Link to This Post
I had the same problem but mine but still had a few mm left, I cut the tube a couple of inches from the overflow tank and fed a skinnier pipe into it and hose clamped it, then slid the skinnier tube over the few mm of nipple and hose clamped that. That was about a year ago and two days ago I noticed a leak from the front due to the pipe finally falling off – I re-clamped and every thing is fine again. (this was supposed to be a short term fix, but turned out to be a long term but functional bodge!!)
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Report this Post10-15-2003 09:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
JB Weld or some other kind of epoxy should do fine. the over flow is not under pressure, so just about anything will work.
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Report this Post10-15-2003 03:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

Well, two votes for JB Weld has convinced me that this is the route to go. I've never used epoxy before, so I guess it's about time I learned how to use this stuff.

Brian, I appreciate the offer of sending me some JB Weld, but I'm pretty sure it should be available here. If not, I'll be in touch!

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll post the results of this little project when I'm done.

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Report this Post10-15-2003 09:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GordoSend a Private Message to GordoDirect Link to This Post
Is it possible to drill & tap the plastic where the barb broke off & screw a brass hose barb into the hole?

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Report this Post10-15-2003 10:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
That might interfere with the radiator cap
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Report this Post10-15-2003 10:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Gordo:

Is it possible to drill & tap the plastic where the barb broke off & screw a brass hose barb into the hole?

The nipple broke off flush with the radiator cap housing. The plastic wall of the housing is quite thin. I don't think that there would be enough material to securely screw a brass hose barb into. And as Pyrthian has suggested, the brass fitting might interfere with the rad cap.

My work on the Fiero had to be postponed today as my old '67 Chev decided to start running on one less cylinder last night. Had to fix that today. Gotta keep the older cars happy first.

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Report this Post10-15-2003 11:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for spark1Send a Private Message to spark1Direct Link to This Post
Here's the gizmo karunjit suggested. It's a Motormite/Help item.

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Report this Post10-16-2003 12:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post
Hey, that’s great! With this information and using Google to look for 10691 “radiator overflow”, I was able to find a downloadable PDF of a DORMAN/MOTORMITE/HELP catalog. Bonus!

Now I’ll be able to phone around and ask for this item using a part number. Should make the whole process a little easier. If I can’t find one, there’s always the JB Weld.

Positive ratings to everyone who’s posted in this thread!

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Report this Post10-17-2003 01:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MorkidanSend a Private Message to MorkidanDirect Link to This Post
Just by a new tank at fiero store for 29.00, Then you dont have to worry about seal breaking over time.
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Report this Post10-20-2003 03:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

If by "new tank" you mean the coolant reservoir, see my second post in this thread.

Haven't dealt with the rad yet. Been working on the brakes...

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