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Loss of liquid Gold by Grog
Started on: 08-20-2003 09:44 PM
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Report this Post08-20-2003 09:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GrogSend a Private Message to GrogDirect Link to This Post
AARRRGGHH! 2 Days after I bought and installed the $12 per quart GM Syncromush I noticed a puddle of tranny fluid in the driveway. Looks like both of my axle seals are leaking
Is this a big job to replace them? Any special tools required? The Fiero store has some special seals/bearings, anyone tried these? are they worth the extra bucks? or are the factory seals good enough?

Thanks for your help
Steve

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Report this Post08-20-2003 09:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PURPLE REIGNSend a Private Message to PURPLE REIGNDirect Link to This Post
It's really not that big of a job, pop the lower ball joint, pull the axle out, replace the seal, ( a little detail left out )

My buddy's opinion on the "bearing & seal" item...........THEY SUCK !! he has them in his Getrag and they already leak under 2000 miles !!!!!!

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Report this Post08-20-2003 10:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TKSend a Private Message to TKDirect Link to This Post
Which why GM uses seal protectors when they install the axles. I never use them but I am extremely careful when I install the axles. They are easy to nick and you now have a leak in the making.

Removing and installing the seals are pretty easy other than removing the axles and spindles.

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Report this Post08-20-2003 10:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GrogSend a Private Message to GrogDirect Link to This Post
I never touched the seals. The car was not driven for about 5yrs before I bought it. They might have dried out a bit, but it was full of fresh oil. I drove it about 100 miles, no leaks. I put in the syncromush and now I have leaks. After I change the seals its getting what the tag says, 5w-30 motor oil.
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Report this Post08-20-2003 10:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PhilSend a Private Message to PhilDirect Link to This Post
The combination bearing/seals that both Rodney and FS sell are harder to install than the stock seals. The stock ones you can tap in with a piece of PVC pipe, the combo units have to be almost pounded in using a piece of iron pipe
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Report this Post08-20-2003 11:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sandersonSend a Private Message to sandersonDirect Link to This Post
I'm not so sure about the Fiero store seals. They are asking $14.50 and they show same seal for Izuzu and Getrag 5 speed. GMpartsdirect shows different seal for Izuzu and Getrag.

I bought some for Getrag from local GM dealer for less than $12 per pair. Carquest here also has them for about same price. Carquest had then under National Oil Seal (Federal-Mogul) parts number 3543

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Report this Post08-21-2003 01:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BruceSend a Private Message to BruceDirect Link to This Post
Maybe you saved me $12; I was going to buy synchromesh fluid tomorrow.
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Report this Post08-21-2003 06:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tesmith66Send a Private Message to tesmith66Direct Link to This Post
AutoZone sells Synchromesh for $5/qt.

They sell axle seals, too.

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Report this Post08-21-2003 07:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Zoom88Click Here to visit Zoom88's HomePageSend a Private Message to Zoom88Direct Link to This Post
I think the seals leaking was just a coincidence. (more likly from sitting as you mentioned)I switched to Synchromesh when I first heard about it...had a little over 100,000 miles on a 5 speed getrag. Now have over 150,000 and still no leaks. Anyway don't let one unfortunate incident deter you from using it, worth the money in my opinion , tranny has shifted noticably better ever since !!!!
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Report this Post08-21-2003 01:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for StansGTSend a Private Message to StansGTDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by tesmith66:

AutoZone sells Synchromesh for $5/qt.

They sell axle seals, too.


Really??? sweet! Im gettin some now

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Report this Post08-21-2003 02:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BruceSend a Private Message to BruceDirect Link to This Post
I've forgotten - what is the oil capacity of the 4 speed Muncie?
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Report this Post08-21-2003 03:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LZeitgeistSend a Private Message to LZeitgeistDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by tesmith66:

AutoZone sells Synchromesh for $5/qt.

You sure about that? I've always heard that it was available only at GM dealerships...

Can you post a pic of this $5 AutoZone bottle?

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Report this Post08-21-2003 04:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for tesmith66Send a Private Message to tesmith66Direct Link to This Post
I have 2 bottles at home. If I can get the time tonight, I will take a pic and post it tomorrow.

The bottle is yellow, and labelled Pennzoil Synchromesh. It is where they keep the grease and gear oils.

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Apparently, Pennzoil and Quaker state are owned by the same company. Here are the spec sheets for Pennzoil Synchromesh and Quaker State Synchromesh. The only difference seems to be the logo. The GM part numbers for Synchromesh are even listed on these sheets. Looks like GM has been screwing the Synchromesh buyers for a while. Well, the secret's out now.
http://www.pennzoil.com/TechData/Pdsheet/DomesticMarketing/Gear&Transmiss ion/pdf/SynchromeshFluid.PDF
http://www.pennzoil-quakerstate.com/Tech/Pdsheet/QuakerState/Gear&Trans mission/pdf/SynchromeshFluid.PDF

Here is the website for their parent company.
http://www.pennzoil-quakerstate.com/default.htm

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Report this Post08-21-2003 08:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GrogSend a Private Message to GrogDirect Link to This Post
The closest AutoZone for me is about 45 miles away. I looked up syncromush before I went shopping for it and found out that Penzoil makes the stuff. Can't find it in town other than GM. The tranny takes just a bit less than 3 qts. The seals aren't just leaking it is dripping out.
I just put royal purple syncromax in my trucks 6spd. It says an the bottle for all manual transmissions that require ATF, and its half the price GM wants for theirs. Mybe I will try that when I get it fixed.
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Report this Post08-21-2003 09:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
GM manual transmissions Do Not call for ATF. GM specifically states NOT to use ATF in several TSBs... (Two of them are referenced in my cave.)

The GM synchromesh is made by Chevron/Texaco as far as I know. (Same for most GM fluids.)

Pennzoil/Quakerstate is a competing product made to meet the required GM specifications.

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Report this Post08-21-2003 09:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GrogSend a Private Message to GrogDirect Link to This Post
oops, I can't believe I said that. Had truck tranny in my head. oops
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