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Coolant Leak Again...Dash this time. by Ironray75
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Report this Post04-21-2003 06:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Ironray75Click Here to visit Ironray75's HomePageSend a Private Message to Ironray75Direct Link to This Post
Well here is my prob. I just fixed the waterpump on it and it worked fine. Now I was turning a corner and going kinda fast. Well my friend was in the passenger seat and collant started leaking on his feet. We looked behind the hood and couldn't find a drop. Not a drip from under the front except from the floor mats. Well it is somehwere behind the dash. Does anyone have a clue where it could be coming from? I am thinking heater core. And does anyone know how hard it is to fix it? Thanks.

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Yep, heater core. I've never done it on a Fiero but my book says to remove the right speaker grill and speaker. Remove heater core cover, retainers and heater core. Sounds harmless. I'm sure someone on the forum can be of help.

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Yup, its the heater core. I just replaced this on my fiero. This is what you have to do to replace it. Look under the dash, on the passengers side, with a trouble light or any light for that sake. You will see a black plastic casing things. That part is 2 pieces. You have to take off 3 screws (8 mm socket i think)and then the front of the 2 pieces will come out. Have a bucket ready to catch the coolant. I recomment taking the screws out one by one so that the coolant can drain into the bucket as you go. The coolant will probably leak from the joint of the 2 pieces. OK! So after you have all the coolant drained out go to the front of the car and pop the front deck lid. Undo your window washer tanks and move it. ( i just unbolted it from the car and left all the connections still hooked up) Move that aside and you will see 2 black small rad hoses about 1 to 1-1/2 in diameter. They will come up from the ground and turn into the dash. Loosen the 2 hoses, they are held on by hose clamps. Take them off the metal tubes and make sure that you have them facing up so no coolant leaks anyway. Now that you have the pipes off go back under the dash and you should now see the Heater core, There will be a little metal bracket holding it into place. I just took off the top bolt on the braket (8 mm again) and then moved it out of the way as i pulled out my heater core. Make sure that the bucket is under where you are working so that you can just put the heater core into the bucket when you are done.


A way to check the heater core is to drain it out. Get a 5 Gallon bucket and fill it 3/4 full of water, submerge the heater core into the water all but the 2 metal pipe ends, plug up one pipe with your thumb and then lightly blow compressed air though the other pipe. if there is a hole you will see bubbles, if not then you will feel pressure on your thumb from the air.


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Thanks for the info. Time to bust out the Chiltons and Haynes manuels.

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it took me about 20 min to pull my out, and check it,i just did it yesterday

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Yup, its the heater core. I just replaced this on my fiero. This is what you have to do to replace it. Look under the dash, on the passengers side, with a trouble light or any light for that sake. You will see a black plastic casing things. That part is 2 pieces. You have to take off 3 screws (8 mm socket i think)and then the front of the 2 pieces will come out. Have a bucket ready to catch the coolant. I recomment taking the screws out one by one so that the coolant can drain into the bucket as you go. The coolant will probably leak from the joint of the 2 pieces. OK! So after you have all the coolant drained out go to the front of the car and pop the front deck lid. Undo your window washer tanks and move it. ( i just unbolted it from the car and left all the connections still hooked up) Move that aside and you will see 2 black small rad hoses about 1 to 1-1/2 in diameter. They will come up from the ground and turn into the dash. Loosen the 2 hoses, they are held on by hose clamps. Take them off the metal tubes and make sure that you have them facing up so no coolant leaks anyway. Now that you have the pipes off go back under the dash and you should now see the Heater core, There will be a little metal bracket holding it into place. I just took off the top bolt on the braket (8 mm again) and then moved it out of the way as i pulled out my heater core. Make sure that the bucket is under where you are working so that you can just put the heater core into the bucket when you are done.


A way to check the heater core is to drain it out. Get a 5 Gallon bucket and fill it 3/4 full of water, submerge the heater core into the water all but the 2 metal pipe ends, plug up one pipe with your thumb and then lightly blow compressed air though the other pipe. if there is a hole you will see bubbles, if not then you will feel pressure on your thumb from the air.


hope this helps
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Thanks for the good info. I will have to do that. I hope heater cores don't cost too much..lol I am on a seriously tight budget..

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Originally posted by Phil86SE:

it took me about 20 min to pull my out, and check it,i just did it yesterday

Well I wish I could just go out and check it. I cannot do anything in my apartments without that nosey lady calling the apartment ppl on me.
Does anyone think it could be just a hose leaking? It didn't leak until I made a turn.

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If there was no coolant under the front hood only under the dash on the floor mats and such, well the heater core is the only thing under the dash...so yeah...most fingers would point at it.

Here in canada i can get one for about $100

brand new, but yers might be repairable, you never know it might be cheaper


but you are able to do this job in a parking lot trust me, all you need is a pair of pliers, 1/4inch ratchet set, bucket, slotted screwdriver

it is not tough at all

good luck eh, let me know how you make out

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Originally posted by Phil86SE:

If there was no coolant under the front hood only under the dash on the floor mats and such, well the heater core is the only thing under the dash...so yeah...most fingers would point at it.

Here in canada i can get one for about $100

brand new, but yers might be repairable, you never know it might be cheaper


but you are able to do this job in a parking lot trust me, all you need is a pair of pliers, 1/4inch ratchet set, bucket, slotted screwdriver

it is not tough at all

good luck eh, let me know how you make out

-Phil

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Well I am going to try it somwhere else other than in my parking lot. Maybe the in-laws. I hope my car doesn't over heat do to this leaking. And I was looking on the Fiero Store and you can get a new one for like 50 dollars. I have all of the tools I think. Shouldn't be to much of a prob. I will let yall know what happens.

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As all are saying, it is the heater core. Make sure you put some towels or papers down on the floor in the passenger side to catch any spills. I used a "T" fitting from an old flush kit on the hoses when I pulled them off, so they wouldn't leak all over the place, while I worked on removing the heater core. After you get the new one in, hook up the lower hose and try to fill the heater core up before you connect the upper hose. This will help so you don't have to burp the cooling system again. Good luck, it shouldn't take you more than an hour. The hardest part will be getting the hoses of the old core.

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As all are saying, it is the heater core. Make sure you put some towels or papers down on the floor in the passenger side to catch any spills. I used a "T" fitting from an old flush kit on the hoses when I pulled them off, so they wouldn't leak all over the place, while I worked on removing the heater core. After you get the new one in, hook up the lower hose and try to fill the heater core up before you connect the upper hose. This will help so you don't have to burp the cooling system again. Good luck, it shouldn't take you more than an hour. The hardest part will be getting the hoses of the old core.

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THanks for that info. I didn't think about filling that up. Thanks for the good idea. And knowing me, it might take about 3 hrs..hehehehe.

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yeah.. the hardest part about the heater core is getting the old lines off, i had to cut one of mine to get it off.. i think it was the bottom, if you do end up having to do that make sure you have enough hose left over! Other than that its all straight forward, good luck!

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yeah.. the hardest part about the heater core is getting the old lines off, i had to cut one of mine to get it off.. i think it was the bottom, if you do end up having to do that make sure you have enough hose left over! Other than that its all straight forward, good luck!


Well here is the funny thing. Today before I found the leak I came across a package of radiator tubing that I had. So if I do have to cut I will have something to replace it with.
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Lots of good information has been posted above. One thing to remember...do everything you can to save the heater hoses. They are no longer available from GM, and every aftermarket one I've tried has not fit properly. Also...if your car doesn't have A/C, then you'll be pulling the heater core out from underneath the hood, not out of the passenger compartment. The heater boxes are completely different between an A/C and non A/C car, and the procedure is different. If you have A/C, another tip is to remove the speaker grille and speaker from the passenger side of the dash. This will give you more access to the screw on the top of the heater box. The general consensus is to carefully pry up the grille out of the dash...it's held in place by 4 posts. You have to be extremely careful, as the dash is brittle, and can crack EXTREMELY easily. Lay a piece of cardboard over the dash before trying this, to spread out the pressure from your screwdriver, putty knife, or whatever you use to pry up the grille. I have had success reaching up underneath the dash, and pushing up on the posts from underneath. Again, being able to do it this way depends upon whether or not you have the factory subwoofer or not. The car I replaced the core on didn't have it. If it does, you probably won't be able to reach the posts from underneath the dash. As far as the core itself, I was able to buy one at a local parts store for $35. They even had it in stock...didn't have to order it.

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Yup. definitely sounds like a heater core.
One thing I'll add...
There are 4 screws that hold the end on the tank. Not three. The 4th one is on the top of the tank. That's why you need to pull the speaker.

For a replacement heater core, check out www.modine.com
Modine was highly recommended by another Forum member. Just so happens there's a Modine outlet very close to my house. They sold me a brand new heater core for $22.49 US. Also bought a radiator for my wife's Wrangler, for cheaper than I've found anywhere else.

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Lots of good information has been posted above. One thing to remember...do everything you can to save the heater hoses. They are no longer available from GM, and every aftermarket one I've tried has not fit properly. Also...if your car doesn't have A/C, then you'll be pulling the heater core out from underneath the hood, not out of the passenger compartment. The heater boxes are completely different between an A/C and non A/C car, and the procedure is different. If you have A/C, another tip is to remove the speaker grille and speaker from the passenger side of the dash. This will give you more access to the screw on the top of the heater box. The general consensus is to carefully pry up the grille out of the dash...it's held in place by 4 posts. You have to be extremely careful, as the dash is brittle, and can crack EXTREMELY easily. Lay a piece of cardboard over the dash before trying this, to spread out the pressure from your screwdriver, putty knife, or whatever you use to pry up the grille. I have had success reaching up underneath the dash, and pushing up on the posts from underneath. Again, being able to do it this way depends upon whether or not you have the factory subwoofer or not. The car I replaced the core on didn't have it. If it does, you probably won't be able to reach the posts from underneath the dash. As far as the core itself, I was able to buy one at a local parts store for $35. They even had it in stock...didn't have to order it.

Thanks for the info. I do have the AC in mine. I don't have the factory sub so that is one less thing I have to worry about. I know what you mean about the speaker covers. I have seen the tabs and I will be sure to not break them or the dash. Well wish me luck yall. And thanks for the good advice and the links.

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After reading all this, I'm confused....
Ihave a/c and a factory sub.. So what is the best way to change that heater core?????

I have to do it this week.....

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