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Is DOT4 Brake fluid really worth it?? by Seanpaul
Started on: 03-23-2003 02:59 AM
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Report this Post03-23-2003 02:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SeanpaulSend a Private Message to SeanpaulDirect Link to This Post

I mean, what's wrong with DOT3, what's makes DOT4 any better besides the price..?

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Report this Post03-23-2003 03:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FierokingClick Here to visit Fieroking's HomePageSend a Private Message to FierokingDirect Link to This Post
dont mix dot 3 and 4 if u do have fun cleaning out the gel


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You could go all the way for DOT 5..silicone. But that entails more $, every rubber piece that came in contact of the 'ol
DOT 3 will need to be replaced with new.The rubber swells after some time from contact with DOT 5. Seen my buds 37 Chevy swerve to the side of the road..he didnt change his cyl cups..(a little fun to see). I;ve used Vavolines synthetic that can be used with DOT 3 with no trouble. Best of luck.
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Report this Post03-23-2003 03:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Doug ChaseSend a Private Message to Doug ChaseDirect Link to This Post
Seanpaul,

The difference between DOT 3 and 4 is the boiling point.

DOT 3 has a minimum dry boiling point of 401 F. DOT 4 is 446 F.

DOT 3 has a minumum wet boiling point of 284 F. DOT 4 is 311 F. Brake fluid is hygroscopic, meaning it absorbs water, and wet boiling point is when the brake fluid contains 3% moisture.

Fieroking,

DOT 3 and DOT 4 are compatible. It's DOT 5 that isn't compatible. DOT 5 is silicon based and it generally regarded as not as good for most purposes. It's more compressible than 3 & 4 so brakes are spongier. It doesn't damage paint, though, so it's popular in show cars.

DOT 5.1 is compatible with 3 & 4, and has even higher boiling points.

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Report this Post03-23-2003 03:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
NONONONONONONO... NEVER use DOT5 Silicone in street driven vehicles. Never. That stuff is only for show/museum cars that are driven little or none. There are well known safety issues with this fluid in street/race use.

Valvoline SynPower Synthetic DOT4 fluid is probably the best performing fluid with a decent price. It meets or beats DOT 5.1 Dry boil spec and DOT 4 Wet boil spec. It is fully compatible with all DOT 3 and DOT 4 fluids. Pricewise it's the same or slightly more than "High Temp" DOT3 that has a high dry boil but and an abysmal wet boil spec.

DOT 3, 4, and 5.1 are all variants on the same fluid class. DOT 5 Silicone is a completely different class of fluid. The two classes should never be considered compatible or interchangeable.

As noted above, installing DOT5 Silicone requires a complete system overhaul and flush. DOT5 can NEVER be used in any vehicle with any type ABS.

Is better fluid worth it? Yes.

The main, most obvious, improvements are dry and wet boil temperatures. However, the higher DOT numbers also have stricter wear prevention and anticorrosion specifications.

Dry boil is easy. It's the boil temp of brand new fresh from the bottle fluid.

Wet boil is a bit more complicated. In short, it means the fluid can drink more water before it becomes dangerously wet. Always keep in mind, The wet spec is tested when the fluid has a bit less that 4% water in it. All DOT 3, 4, and 5.1 fluids can and will degrade below the wet boil specification as they drink more than 4% water.

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Report this Post03-23-2003 04:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TKSend a Private Message to TKDirect Link to This Post
I've run DOT 5 (not 5.1) with absolutely no problems in any way and the pedal feels the same as DOT 3 or 4. The car was converted totally to DOT 5 some years before I got it. I finally had a rear seal start to leak (maybe 8 years after the conversion?) and when I rebuilt the caliper, they looked perfect inside.

Is it worth it? No. Other than saving the paint from a bonehead spill, I wouldn't have converted personally if it hadn't already been done.

But from talking with other people that run it, it's fine if it's done on a completely flushed and rebuilt (new rubber) system. People don't flush the system with denatured alchohol before installing it. One problem is that water is not absorbed. It stays seperated in the fluid. Not good but then there shouldn't be any moisture in the system anyway, right? But it's not impending doom if you use DOT 5. It's used in tons of different applications.

Just stick with 3 or 4. Flush the system, pick one, label the reservoir with what you used and stick with it.

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Report this Post03-25-2003 02:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SeanpaulSend a Private Message to SeanpaulDirect Link to This Post
Ok, so I can start using DOT 4 and mix it with my DOT 3 system..??
I'll do a complete flush when I do the rear suspension, and brakes...
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Originally posted by Seanpaul:

Ok, so I can start using DOT 4 and mix it with my DOT 3 system..??

Yes.

 
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I'll do a complete flush when I do the rear suspension, and brakes...

That's a good idea, simply because the brake fluid in the car now is probably original from the factory.

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