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Four Core Radiator - V8 Archie Question by Tom Corey
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Report this Post03-07-2003 06:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tom CoreySend a Private Message to Tom CoreyDirect Link to This Post
Would someone please post some pix of a four core radiator? How thick is it? I just pulled the radiator in my V8 Archie GT and would like to be sure I have a four core. The one I have measures 2 1/4 inches thick.

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Report this Post03-07-2003 07:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GKDINCSend a Private Message to GKDINCDirect Link to This Post
Where are you measuring Tom? My old stock rad. measuring the fins only at the bottom is only 1-1/4in. wide. Sorry no pic's of the 4 core and it's in the car so hard to measure. Not much help but I'm sure someone will be along to add to this. Thanks Gary
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you have to look through it to know how many rows it is, look through the core at a light, sometimes you can see the cores easier next to the tanks.
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Originally posted by GKDINC:

Where are you measuring Tom? My old stock rad. measuring the fins only at the bottom is only 1-1/4in. wide. Sorry no pic's of the 4 core and it's in the car so hard to measure. Not much help but I'm sure someone will be along to add to this. Thanks Gary

I'm measuring across the top at about the center of the radiator. It's just a tad under 2 1/4 inches. Here's a pic of it next to a 3 1/4 inch wide aluminum radiator I have (it's too large to go in - unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Tom Corey:

Would someone please post some pix of a four core radiator? How thick is it? I just pulled the radiator in my V8 Archie GT and would like to be sure I have a four core. The one I have measures 2 1/4 inches thick.

If it's that thickness and has brass tanks (instead of plastic) then it's one of mine.

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Originally posted by Archie:

If it's that thickness and has brass tanks (instead of plastic) then it's one of mine.

Archie

Yes, it has brass tanks. Thanks, Archie.

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That is a shame that radiator doesn't fit ( it looks so nice) what makes it not fit?? It looks like it should if that is a Fiero radiator in front of it.
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Originally posted by Tom Corey:

Why doesnt' the aluminum radiator fit and where'd you get it from?

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that alum one looks too tall and too narrow to fit the mounts.

On a sidenote: I just had to put a new radiator in the Vette. I was amazed to find the OEM Corvette radiator is only a 2 row core and almost exact size of the Fieros. I think ill hold off replacing mine till i see how the summer goes. Corvette engine bay gets hotter that Fieros, stock there is no out vents at all for airflow.

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the cap would keep it from fitting in there for one thing.

you'ld have to cut a hole in the hood.

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What year vette are you talking about?

 
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On a sidenote: I just had to put a new

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Aside from the cap not fitting, I think the thickness would also be an issue. The radiator is not bolted in like most other radiators, it sits sandwiched between a bottom and top bracket with a hole in the top bracket for the radiator cap. The aluminum radiator looks like a unit made by Ron Davis Radiators (part no. 24163). Ron Davis Radiator sells it for $219 + shipping. The dimensions of this radiator is (24" X 16" X 3"). It has virtually the same dimensions as the Archie 4-core radiator sitting in my car (24.75" X 16.5" X 2.5") except that the width of the radiator is about .5" wider. I'm guessing that anybody using this aluminum radiator would probably have to modify the top bracket to reposition the radiator cap hole and allow for a thicker radiator. By that same token, the bottom bracket may have to be modified to allow for a thicker radiator. Aside from that it looks like a drop-in application. Hose reducers may also be needed.

IMO, $219 is a lot cheaper than what other aluminum mfg want for a custom radiator. AFCO quoted me $425 in 9/01 and then quoted me $479 in 3/02.

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the cap would keep it from fitting in there for one thing.

you'ld have to cut a hole in the hood.

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Originally posted by Mr. Farknocker:

What year vette are you talking about?

1986 coupe

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I was surfing the BeCool Radiators website the other day and came across Part No. 60158, an aluminum radiator designed for a Chevy Vega V* conversion that might fit our fieros. The webpage states that the core dimensions are 24"W X 18"H and that the dimensions of the radator is 25"W X 16"H. The BeCool Radiator dudes confirmed by email that there was a typo and that the radiator dimensions are in fact 25W X 16H. I'd double check with BeCool Radiators first before purchasing the radiator, though.

Summit lists the price of this radiator at $500. Ouch!

You can check it out at: http://www.becool.com/single_query4.php?ID_var=63

Here's a pic of it:

Farknocker

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Archies all metal, 4 core, for Fiero is $350.
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Originally posted by Mr. Farknocker:

Why doesnt' the aluminum radiator fit and where'd you get it from?


The Held Motorsport radiator is taller than stock and won't clear the hood.
Thanks to Dave Held, we figured out how to install it. I used a 1 inch aluminum block under the radiator holding shroud to lower the radiator and fabricated my own aluminum upper and lower mounting brackets. It's about a 6-8 core equivalent, but it remains to be seen how it works on the street. I installed it with a SPAAL fan and a CSI electric water pump in the back. Looks good anyway!

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Nice job, Tom!

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Alright,... I'll bite

Custom 3 core Howe Radiator

Dual Spal Rad fan (slightly modified)

This set-up barely let's my engine (serious ci's) go into the operating temp range.

Tina

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Does Archies 4 core Radiator work with the V-6? I know its JUST a V-6 but Id like better cooling then the stocker. Also can someone take a picture of it installed and tell me if i Use the stock mounts of does it just sit in there? And My car is an Auto does his radiator have a tranny cooler inside it?

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Bolts to stock location. I talked to him about one for mine, comes with or without trans cooler. I dont know why it wouldnt work fine with V6. I find the V6 rad works fine with my turbo car as is. Even when its 95* and bumper to bumper traffic, with air on, it dont go over 1/2 way.
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Originally posted by Tina:

Alright,... I'll bite

Custom 3 core Howe Radiator

Dual Spal Rad fan (slightly modified)

This set-up barely let's my engine (serious ci's) go into the operating temp range.

Tina

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THUMP...that sound is my jaw hitting the floor. That is beautiful.

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Thank you very much,
I'll forward it to my no good, never happy, only will let you bolt on new parts, doesn't appriciate a thing, primadonna of a Fiero.

No
seriously
Thanks for the compliment.

Tina
Let's just say my car and me had some issues today

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well the reason I ask if it will work with the V-6 is cuzz one the Radiator shop found a hair line crack in the plastic tank that could go anytime, and two i dont like seeing my temp guage sitting about 1/2 or a little above. My guage might not work but I just want to be on the safe side.
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Originally posted by Fierokid87:

well the reason I ask if it will work with the V-6 is cuzz one the Radiator shop found a hair line crack in the plastic tank that could go anytime, and two i dont like seeing my temp guage sitting about 1/2 or a little above. My guage might not work but I just want to be on the safe side.

There is absolutely no reason that I can think of why Archie's rad won't work in the stock setup assuming your thermostat works perfectly.

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Tina, looks like you have more money under front hood than most seem to have under the back one, lol. Looks great.
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Originally posted by Tina:

Alright,... I'll bite

Tina, you're such a show off.

BTW, Tina, I got that 12" rubber out to you today.

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