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Towing a fiero behind motorhome? by Shananigans
Started on: 11-28-2002 02:43 PM
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Last post by: ItzDaFieroGT on 11-30-2002 11:56 PM
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Report this Post11-28-2002 02:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShananigansSend a Private Message to ShananigansDirect Link to This Post
I have a GMC motorhome,I was wondering if it would be possible to tow my Fiero behind it.I also own a car dolly,but I have never used it with the fiero.Does anyone have experience with this as I would love to use my GT when I take my motorhome on vacation.
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Report this Post11-28-2002 03:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
If you've got an automatic transmission, I wouldn't do this. Towing the TH125 and 4T60 automatics with the drive wheels on the ground for long hauls isn't very good for them. GM recomends no more than 35mph and not more than 50 miles for towing the automatics on the drive wheels. (This is a problem with most automatic transmissions.)

A manual tranny won't care so much. These can move oil around anytime the thing is moving, even out of gear.

You can tow the car backwards, but make very sure how you lock out the steering etc.

Which ever way you haul it... Unless you want to make significant modifications to the Fiero... Use the dolly and a set of strap on towing lights.

Some dollys have lights but you really want them as far back on the car as you can get. You can make a set of lights to suit you needs from a set of trailer lights and other standard items you can get at many places. Even Wal-mart and K-mart have allot of stuff in their auto/RV and boat departments. If you want them pretty and easy to attach to a deck/front lid, mount the lights on half of a cheap roof rack.

Towing w/o the dolly is called "dingy towing" in the car industry. Very few cars will tolerate that well. It really loads up on the car in strange ways durring cornering etc. Plus the tranny issues above, etc.

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Report this Post11-28-2002 03:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShananigansSend a Private Message to ShananigansDirect Link to This Post
Thank you theogre,I knew I could count on you for this imformation.I should have mentioned that it is a standard four speed transmission.You are to be looked up to as a Guru.Again Thanks.
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Report this Post11-28-2002 05:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
I have ALOT of experience towing Fieros with a tow dolly. ALWAYS tow it with the rear wheels off the ground. That way the heaviest part of the car is nearest the tow vehicle and you don't get the "whiplash" effect when you cut the wheel from side to side as you do when the heavy part is in the far rear as it is when you have the front wheels up.

If you tow it this way......you will have NO problems towing your Fiero wherever you want to go......guaranteed! Oh, it's a good idea to wrap the seatbelt around the lower part of the steering wheel and latch it just in case the steering lock comes unlatched for some reason.

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Report this Post11-28-2002 07:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
What Phil says about tieing off the steering and weight is important. I disagree with him about how he ties off tho. The seatbelts aren't very good for this.

From a pending cave article....

Never NEVER trust the lock in the steering column! The steering wheel must be lashed when towing backward.

TILT steering must be all the way DOWN when lashing it! If it's not down, it could snap down if the lashings load up. Not good for it.

the best way to lock down the steering is with a Y lock. They are sold for commercial tow truck operators but you could make one. (They are required by law in many places.)

It is made from a single piece of bent 3/8-1/2 inch iron. Rebar will work. You'll need an acetalene torch.

Take a 4 foot section of rebar and bend it in half, leaving a space so you can tie something in the bend.
Next bend the ends into hooks. Make them big enough that you can put some thin padding on and still hook the spokes on the steering wheel.

Now make 4 more bends to the thing looks like the stick figure below. Make the hooks as far apart as the wheel spokes will allow.

For padding slide some old water hose over the arms. make the hose long enough to cover any metal that will contact the steering wheel.

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When you want to lock the steering, hook this over the steering wheel spokes and lash it down.

To use the Y lock with a Fiero type seat... cut a section of rebar or steel pipe long enough to fit between the door sill and hump. (You want it long enough that it can't shift sideways and come out from under the seat.) Stick this under the seat so it hooks both seat rails. Lash the Y lock to this bar/pipe good and snug.

Once the Y lock is installed, nothing short of a major wreck will allow the steering to move. As noted these are required by law in many places when towing on the front wheels. (A tow truck operator friend of mine foung this out the hardway... cost him a stiff fine and some other penalty on his CDL.) Even if the Y lock isn't required in your area, there is nothing that beats them.

The only difference between the one I describe above and comercial ones... the comercial ones use a seat belt style web and adjuster to make hooking them up really easy. I don't know what they cost any more. It might be cheaper now to just buy one from a towing supply outlet.

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Report this Post11-29-2002 10:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
Sounds like an aweful redundancy as light as those little cars front end is...........
Not much weight and it by design wants to follow along behind what it's being pulled by. I know some of you city folks can get kinda anal about some safety issues, which is good I guess...since you're in the city by god!
LOL.......................

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Report this Post11-29-2002 10:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
Phil, Yes Fiero is light up front. That doesn't change the potential safety issue or legal issue. You and I don't disagree on many things so far. I wasn't flaming you.

Safety... Can't help it. Used to work for Du Pont. Du Pont now contracts their safety people to other companies. If you think I'm anal about it, work for them a year or three.

Legal... Used to drive wreckers. That's how I knew about that one. Cops writing tickets don't give a turd about the Fiero light in front.

The fact is that the Saginaw steering column lock is not made for towing. It is a minor anti theft and safety device. Even if the pin doesn't break the column itself could crack. The car is light but hit a good size hole the wrong way and that lock could fail. Even if you don't spin the wheel, you can still do considerable damage to the column.

Having seen cars on the hook that were tracking half the vehicle in another lane, it does happen even with light cars. It's just not worth the risk over locking the steering wheel solid.

The correct way to do it is install the Y lock and turn the key so the column lock isn't engaged at all. (The off position between the lock and run spots.) This both locks the steering and protects the column from damage.

Even if a comercial Y lock is $200, it is cheap insurance for long hauling.

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Report this Post11-30-2002 08:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mike MurphySend a Private Message to Mike MurphyDirect Link to This Post
Getting the column locked is a must. I trusted the lock by itself until I had my newly aquired Formula on my dolly and had just entered into the highway from a parking lot making a right turn and the car was in the other lane trying to pass me and I was not moving 5mph. Scared the crap out of me and I had towed several Fieros like this and just thought that the steering lock was enough. Come to find out it's not. Hate to think what would have happened it I had been moving at 50mph or better.
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Report this Post11-30-2002 11:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
Safety is definitely a must....especially when you drive like I do...LOL. I didn't take that as a flame. I was just having fun with ya. Actually, the way the lock mech is made, if you put it in the ACC position it pushes the pin so far in the lock plate that I SERIOUSLY doubt that it would come loose even if you hit something.

I drove a wrecker off and on for about 20 years....so I know all about how to tie the steering wheel and safety. I can promise you that I would never tow even a Fiero unless I KNEW it was safe. Towing anything at 80+ mph you'd be crazy not to know it was safe! I believe if you saw HOW I wrapped the seatbelt around the steering wheel, all of your worries about safety would be vanquished.....oh..you worked for dupont....maybe not....LOL. J/K

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Report this Post11-30-2002 11:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ItzDaFieroGTDirect Link to This Post
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