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Want to install MSD type ignition Any Help ? by WMac
Started on: 11-16-2002 05:04 PM
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Report this Post11-16-2002 05:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WMacSend a Private Message to WMacDirect Link to This Post
I want to change my ignition to an MSD type
Whot do I need to do?
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Report this Post11-16-2002 06:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1985FieroGTSend a Private Message to 1985FieroGTDirect Link to This Post
Look up these part numbers at like jegs.com or some other place:
MSD Ignition #8874
Distributor: #8597
Coil: #8226
Ignition: #6200

these are the ones I looked up before for my fiero, depending on what you want your looking between $500-700 for a MSD ignition system
www.jegs.com www.msdignition.com

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Report this Post11-16-2002 06:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JncomuttSend a Private Message to JncomuttDirect Link to This Post
It also helps to get the ~$25 GM harness to connect to the Box from the factory coil wire, saves some wiring issues.
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Report this Post11-16-2002 07:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for johnt671Send a Private Message to johnt671Direct Link to This Post
I put the MSD GM Blaster coil and the 6a box on my 84 SE. Very easy to do. Get the GM adapter the others suggest. This makes it just about a plug and play install. Plus you can easily bypass the box if you had to.

Very easy to do. Just follow the simple directions.

The coil made a difference in the feel of the car over 3000 rpms, while the box didn't seem to add anything, excpt maybe a bit smoother running. So folks here say the box uses the ignition module as a trigger and performs all the other functions of the module. If this is so it helps make the module more dependable. I saw this as a big plus.

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Originally posted by Jncomutt:

It also helps to get the ~$25 GM harness to connect to the Box from the factory coil wire, saves some wiring issues.

YES...
This makes the MSD Ignition box, which ever you choose(6A, 6AL, etc...) a Plug -n- Play... Save alot of trouble and look's good!!

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Originally posted by 1985FieroGT:

Look up these part numbers at like jegs.com or some other place:
MSD Ignition #8874
Distributor: #8597
Coil: #8226
Ignition: #6200

these are the ones I looked up before for my fiero, depending on what you want your looking between $500-700 for a MSD ignition system
www.jegs.com www.msdignition.com


this is the description for the Distrib....

Chevy 90° V-6 Pro-Billet, Even-Fire, 4.3L
Must Be Used with 6, 7, 8, or 10 Series MSD Box or Blaster Ignition |

Isn't there any fitting problems with taking a 90° distrib and sticking it in a 60° engine? If not then i will have to use this since I'm already gonna go with a 6BTM on the 3.4L. might as well go all the way while I'm at it.... But I swear my brain says this wont work.

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Report this Post11-17-2002 06:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WMacSend a Private Message to WMacDirect Link to This Post
So, Just got back from the Auto parts store and the guy tells me and shows me a MSD.
Cool little red box. And in the instructions is an illastration of the GM ignition. and how to hook it up. It looked to me as if
(and dont Quote me) but you disconect the wire plug from the distributer plug that into the MSD and plug the MSD into it the distributer. So whats all this about a new distrubuter Etc. is it that mines an 88 ?
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Report this Post11-18-2002 12:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for AnimalGTSend a Private Message to AnimalGTDirect Link to This Post
You don't need a new distributor. Not unless you're putting major $$$ in a extreme-duty motor. (But the stock inj/intake won't allow for that anyway.)

Personally I have a MSD6AL (rev limiter) unit, with the MSD Blaster coil. I'm very happy with it; it seemed to really 'wake up' the motor. It's an easy install, and well worth the money. I would not get a new distributor. But I would go over it, and get a good cap, rotor, and MSD or Taylor wires.
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Report this Post11-18-2002 12:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JncomuttSend a Private Message to JncomuttDirect Link to This Post
Well if you really want a nice coil, Get the Crane coil for our cars. Its supposed to put out 70% more.
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Report this Post11-18-2002 08:03 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rejuvinatedClick Here to visit rejuvinated's HomePageSend a Private Message to rejuvinatedDirect Link to This Post
We put an MSD 6BTM and coil, P/N 8226, on my son's car ('88 2.8L V6). Used their harness, P/N 8876, and it made for a simple, quick, and neat installation. As of this post, MSD does not make a distributor for the 60 degree V6, nor do they make a cap, rotor, or custom fit wire set. We used the Select series from Borg-Warner for the cap and rotor, and B-W's mag core wire set (all from Pep Boys). My understanding is that B-W is actually the supplier of spiral core wire to such people as Accel, etc. In fact, B-W is the largest manufacture of spark plug wire in the nation.
Anyway, I think you'd be hard pressed to find better way to improve the somewhat lacking OE ignition on the Fiero than the MSD, although there are several good manufacturers out there.
Good Luck!
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Originally posted by rejuvinated:

We put an MSD 6BTM and coil, P/N 8226, on my son's car ('88 2.8L V6). Used their harness, P/N 8876, and it made for a simple, quick, and neat installation. As of this post, MSD does not make a distributor for the 60 degree V6, nor do they make a cap, rotor, or custom fit wire set. We used the Select series from Borg-Warner for the cap and rotor, and B-W's mag core wire set (all from Pep Boys). My understanding is that B-W is actually the supplier of spiral core wire to such people as Accel, etc. In fact, B-W is the largest manufacture of spark plug wire in the nation.
Anyway, I think you'd be hard pressed to find better way to improve the somewhat lacking OE ignition on the Fiero than the MSD, although there are several good manufacturers out there.
Good Luck!

I am planning to install an MSD (6A) + coil. Does anyone know the GM part # for the harness?

PS: Any recommendations on the coil without breaking the piggy bank?

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Report this Post02-22-2003 06:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for avengador1Send a Private Message to avengador1Direct Link to This Post
Here's the wiring for one from Crane, The MSD is probably similar.

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Report this Post02-22-2003 08:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fiero go fastSend a Private Message to fiero go fastDirect Link to This Post
does MSD really make that much of a difference? What are the advantaged of it? Also, if I were to just get a better coil, would i notice any kind of difference with anything at all?
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Originally posted by fiero go fast:

does MSD really make that much of a difference? What are the advantaged of it? Also, if I were to just get a better coil, would i notice any kind of difference with anything at all?
Matt

I'd like to know this too, I know a guy that has this setup in his car and he didn't notice any increase in power. He said his gas mileage has got considerably better though. Pretty expensive upgrade ( $300 + ) just for better gas milage though. I added a better coil and with my Taylor wires I've gotten a smoother idle and quicker starting but I doubt I gained any power.

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Report this Post02-23-2003 04:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for IcantDo55Click Here to visit IcantDo55's HomePageSend a Private Message to IcantDo55Direct Link to This Post
MSD systems will help on hi RPM and also be REQUIRED with any power adder, N20 or boost. On your average street bolt on car you might no feel a seat of the pants improvement.
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Report this Post02-23-2003 08:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for topcatSend a Private Message to topcatDirect Link to This Post
I installed the MSD BTM ignition in my car for a Turbo project. I am doing the turbo in stages, so I got to drive the car around with the MSD for nearly two weeks without the turbo. I definitely noticed a smoother throttle response at higher RPM. Not really any difference in power, the engine just seems to run smoother along the power band.
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Report this Post02-24-2003 12:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Capt FieroClick Here to visit Capt Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to Capt FieroDirect Link to This Post
Here is a link to mine installed http://www.david.westcoastfieros.com/msd/msd.html

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Here is a link to an old web page that I did up.
http://members.shaw.ca/hotrodfiero/update.htm

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