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Ignition Modules keep failing on 2.8 V6 by Rob Ernst
Started on: 05-27-2002 02:03 AM
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Report this Post05-27-2002 02:03 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Rob ErnstClick Here to visit Rob Ernst's HomePageSend a Private Message to Rob ErnstDirect Link to This Post
Ok guys (and gals).

I've now replaced my ignition module 7 or 8 times. Even I can see that maybe its not the ignition module. Last time, I re-installed my ground strap on the passenger side and even put another one on the driver's side to form the decklid hinge bolts to the EGR Valve. That one (a Genuine AC Delco from my friendly neighborhood Chevy Dealer) lasted less than a week (and about 800 miles (mostly highway)).

Yes, I used the grease that comes with the ignition modules. Everytime.

Somebody suggested I replace my plug wires. Does THAT make sense? Somdebody else suggested I replace the Pickup coil. Thats the ring that runs around the distributor and connects to the ignition module, right?

HELP!!!!

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Report this Post05-27-2002 07:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mindscapeSend a Private Message to mindscapeDirect Link to This Post
I suggest you check the catalytic converter. (what?) In the past I had one where the module went out repeatedly. It finally dawned on me that the catalytic converter was bad because the heat from the EGR tube melted the side of the distributor cap. Heat is the number one killer of ignition modules, especially many aftermarket brands.

Also, check for low voltage to the ignition module and faulty wiring.

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Report this Post05-27-2002 09:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
Your problem is not all that uncommon. It's usually an ignition feedback problem that blows out the module. The worst offenders are sparkplugs and sparkplug wires. Also dist cap and rotor can cause it. Yes I've seen it be the pu coil, but I'd make sure the basic ign is in good shape before replacing that. It is usually a high spike in the ign like a wide gap from sparkplug or bad plugwire that causes it. Check it out well before you go further.

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Report this Post05-27-2002 10:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
Heat will definatly not help. There could be a number of causes there. (Who ever designed the V6 EGR setup had to be sniffing glue...)

Who ever told you to replace plug wires is correct. I would go further and replace the plugs, cap, rotor, and coil as well.

There are a couple differant things that could be going on. You could have a feedback like Phil was describing.

Feed back happens when secondary parts are not passing the spark energy to the plugs. The energy has to go someplace. If it can't get to the plugs or short to ground, then it litterally bounces back down toward the coil and/or distributor. At the very least it creates a huge power spike that slams the module.

The other problem is an arc over in the distributor or inside a bad coil. This kind of problem blasts spark energy right into the module. The most common items here are crappy cap and rotor.

Either way modules will keep going poof.

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Report this Post05-27-2002 10:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
This above post ties directly into The Ogre's recent advice NOT to remove the coil wire to disable the ign while doing tests or maintenance. The coil still builds up hi voltage and it has to go somewhere.
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Report this Post05-28-2002 12:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Rob ErnstClick Here to visit Rob Ernst's HomePageSend a Private Message to Rob ErnstDirect Link to This Post
Thanx guys (and gals)...

I'll pick up a new set of plug wires, plugs, rotor and cap and see what happens.

Also, I managed to break off one of the screws in the ignition module the last time I replaced it so I guess I'll unscrew that with a pair of Vice Grips and replace that screw.... I already replaced one of them with a brass screw, might as well do the other one too...

I'll keep everybody posted with the results.

Rob

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BTW, the car doesn't currently HAVE a Catalytic Convertor. It clogged up to the point the car wouldn't even idle so I put on a TEST pipe...

Rob

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Originally posted by Rob Ernst:
BTW, the car doesn't currently HAVE a Catalytic Convertor. It clogged up to the point the car wouldn't even idle so I put on a TEST pipe...

Rob


And hows the 'test' going? I always laughed at that one. Like anyone would take it back out and spend money for a cat. duh. Well I guess the eco ppl would.

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Report this Post06-13-2002 11:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Rob ErnstClick Here to visit Rob Ernst's HomePageSend a Private Message to Rob ErnstDirect Link to This Post
I replaced the pickup coil last weekend. This week, I'll put some 8mm wires on and new AC Delco plugs, cap and rotor even though they look fine and were replaced in the last year (not sure WHEN the wires were replaced).

It CURRENTLY has those BOSCH +4 plugs...

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Report this Post06-14-2002 05:15 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
get the Bosch single tips. That may be your problem. Multi tip plugs are a total waste of your money.
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Originally posted by Rob Ernst:
replaced one of them with a brass screw,

Brass? why brass? It corrodes and it's soft.

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Report this Post06-14-2002 08:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
Plus screwing dissimilar metals together creates electrolisis which furthers the corrosion. Replace it with a steel one the next time you have the cap off.

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Report this Post06-14-2002 08:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for revinSend a Private Message to revinDirect Link to This Post
WOW GTDUDE and I agree?!?!?!?!?!? dam I feel like I have 25 years as a GM wrench turner!!!!lol
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