-------- this was sent back... ----- Ron, how many miles were on the spark plug in the dyno graph you show? what other changes were made? are these plugs available now and would you stand behind them in an independant test? working for a Dyno tuning facility we test LOTS of products and have a difficult time getting a responce from many manufacturers if we find other results.. where are your units available? are they available for a Fiero V6 (NGK - UR6) or a new Focus? My Alfa Romeo 164LS uses no electrode Bosch plugs. how are your units different? How do your sprak plugs handle the shock of a nitrous fed engine? looking forward to hearing from you.
they are better than 20k mile plugs but not better then any other NEW plug... if i have a NEW NGK UR5, and run it.. it'll make 154 if i run a new iridium i don't gain anything.. if i run a new autolite, ac or other different resistance plug i loose TQ through the entire RPM range. your results may vary but my MSD 6a, Crane coil and echlin ICM yeild those results. At EP nearly everyhing leaves runnin' on NGK plugs... unless it's European.. then it's Bosch or Beru.
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1FST2M6 Member
Posts: 3905 From: Dallas, GA. Registered: Jan 2000
Travis, All dyno runs are fresh! both set of plugs are brand new , Brisk and competitors. I am in the process of making my own sets of dyno graphs with different cars here locally. A place here locally has a nascar dynojet capable of handling 1100 hp So I have my own documented tests results for both domestic and foreign. I have no problem with any independant tests ,for this will strenghten the awareness of the product and quality. As for standing behind the product I am not sure I understand what you mean? I think the product will speak for itself ! This company (Brisk) has been involved in manufacturing spark plugs since in the 30`s you can check out there web sight www.brisk.cz and click on the english flag for english (bottom left corner) I did some of the prototype testing here for the domestic product line of plugs. As for the results of the testing. It is an on going process between the manufacturer and prenco to know where product can be improved and any concerns about the product. As far as the nitrous, honestly I have no experience yet in testing and will console the manufacturer on that. ( For the LGS series of plug) We do carry a line of turbo plugs that can handle the high pressures of superchargers and turbochargers and I suspect that they could handle nitrous also. As far as the bosch plugs .what is the bosch id # or a manufacturer # as to cross reference to brisk. These plugs are in stock for most domestic and foreign.Only in cases of racing and high performance were specfic heat ranges and electrode configuration are required would they need to be ordered. We also carry a line of the racing plugs for the local race programs I hope I answered some of your questions . If you have any more, please contact me!
best regards Ron Proulx
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Mark Matthews Member
Posts: 537 From: Las Vegas, NV, USA Registered: Nov 2001
Another batch of idiots that thinks annoying me with a bunch of flash is going to sell anything... I closed it all when the third window opened.
never heard of them before. If the web site is an indication of how they design things, I'm not interested. I think I'll forward that url to websitesthatsuck.
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artherd Member
Posts: 4159 From: Petaluma, CA. USA Registered: Apr 2001
Intresting. Looks like it'll produce a long, cooler spark (might work well with MSD ignitions that can deliver a lot of juice)
I dunno though, it also looks like the spark dosen't get much exposure in the cylinder (like it would ride the insulator's boundry layer)
Travis will tell us all with his DynoJet!
Best! Ben
------------------ Ben Cannon 88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red. "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives" 88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41257 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Travis For what application would you need these plugs ? If you are going to dyno them ! All I would ask for is the results in the form of a graph or some information I could use. I will supply the plugs.
regards Ron Proulx ---------------------------------- Ron, we would like 1 set for an 01 Ford Focus (Supercharged and nitrous fed) and a set for a Pontiac Fiero V6 (also nitrous fed).
Focus - Bosch # - 4212 (usually run Motorcraft 403 cause nitrous eats 'em up pretty quick) Fiero - Bosch # - 7569 (usually run, NGK UR5 plugs)
we will send you a set of dyno graphs before we release the results to the Focus forums and the Fiero Forums... www.fieroforum.com , www.focaljet.com , www.altimas.net, and www.barrettraceway.com with more than 10,000 people seeing the results. I'm a high posting member of these forums.. and a www.nitrous.org but we won't spray the plugs on the released graphs. Thanks for your prompt responce and we look forward to working with you.
Engineered Performance ATTN: Travis Hall 1784 Corn Rd. Suite D Smyrna, Ga 30080 www.engineered.net
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1FST2M6 Member
Posts: 3905 From: Dallas, GA. Registered: Jan 2000
uum guys... i think we might have somthing here... he's not backing down! unlike the spiral max/tornado, and split fire people.. he's still corresponding!! I'll be sure to keep everyone posted... pics, and dyno results to come...
Travis A couple of questions 1 stock eng with nitrous added or modified with nitrous added for both the focus and fiero (if mods what are they?) 2 those bosch #`s are what you use with the nitrous.? 3 since I am new to nitrous ,does nitrous bring cylinder temp`s down or increase them ,this will affect heat range. and performance of the plug . 4 do you have stock igition on these cars also? The more mods, the more precise we have to be! regards Ron -----------------
Ron, Both ar bone stock internals, we;ve been sprying the fiero for 2 years.. it makes 279hp/312lbft at the wheels (125.4hp shot) https://www.fiero.nl/uploads/1fstdynospray.jpg my dyno sheet, using NGK UR5 plugs the NGK to Bosch cross reference was the 7569 # i found in the bosch book) (i have an MSD 6al, and Crane PS91 Coil) and Stock internals 8psi, and a .028nitrous/.018fuel (50hp) shot on the focus. (211hp/180lbft) https://www.fiero.nl/uploads/hocusspray.jpg his dyno sheet. Running stock plug heat range. stock ignition on the focus. we have a compotiition data systems air/fuel logging equipment.
Travis
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Scott-Wa Member
Posts: 5392 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002
So 1FST; Do you recommend the NGK UR5 plugs for a V6 Fiero with NX kit? What gap do you use? I have MSD coil and Jacobs wires too. May add the MSD 6A later. TIA
they are set at the factory like 42 i just toss em in.. i've only melted 2 plugs... GT Bastard had one and i melted one after the first run at the drag strip... running a larger n2o but the same (small) fuel jet. (my fault the plug died) i recommend UR5s for every V6 fiero. i've never had a real failure. yeah the electrode melted off but again.. stick with a 42n2o jet and that won't happen. my over zelous jetting caused the screw up... and the car still ran just was a tad angry about it... $1.39 later and poof i'm back up to snuff. jeffs (gt bastard) SE ran on a cooked electrode for months.. still beating cars with a bad #5 con rod bearing and he only realized the electrode was bad when he went to pull the heads off the engine for the V8. my thoughts.. NGK rock!
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1FST2M6 Member
Posts: 3905 From: Dallas, GA. Registered: Jan 2000
Travis, do I ship these plugs to Engineered Performance to your attn Ron
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Ron, yes please..
(EPs addy)
travis hall ---------------------
Well guys... whats everyones thoughts on the possible dyno results? it seems that somone might actually have a decent upgrade from the normal spark plug?!?
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Patrick's Dad Member
Posts: 5154 From: Weymouth MA USA Registered: Feb 2000
Originally posted by Scott-Wa: You guys do realise that you are dealing with a company that only operates in Czech Republic right?
Hi Scott, welcome.
I am running JJ Electronics tubes in my Van Alstine Super Pas 3i preamp. Made in the Czech Republic. Sound like Telefunkens, which are going on eBay for $60.00 each. Got my 12AX7A's for $7.50 each, plus $5.00 to ship four from Washington State.
If they are made well, do what they say that they do, and the supply pipeline stays open, who care where they are made?
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fierosound Member
Posts: 15251 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
Sounds like this guy is fairly intelligent, and it's encouraging that he's up for a go on a Dyno! He's got to be pretty confident at least. Keep us updated (and check your PM!
Best! Ben.
------------------ Ben Cannon 88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red. "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives" 88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"
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Scott-Wa Member
Posts: 5392 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002
Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: Hi Scott, welcome.
I am running JJ Electronics tubes in my Van Alstine Super Pas 3i preamp. Made in the Czech Republic. Sound like Telefunkens, which are going on eBay for $60.00 each. Got my 12AX7A's for $7.50 each, plus $5.00 to ship four from Washington State.
If they are made well, do what they say that they do, and the supply pipeline stays open, who care where they are made?
I was just wondering about cost on shipping a set of spark plugs from eastern europe, was thinking they could be running into $100 before you got them... Then I saw that the guy he's corresponding with is North American Distributor.
Still gotta wonder... are these the plugs that lost the cold war? :-)
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1FST2M6 Member
Posts: 3905 From: Dallas, GA. Registered: Jan 2000
Travis, I was double checking and I have the equivalent of UR4 which is the equivalent of bosch # 7569 (HR8BC ) and not the UR5, which is the equivalent of bosch # HR6BC ( 7566) here I use part # for bosch and not stock # I will order in the UR5 equivalent if need be with other plugs. let me know if this is a problem sending the UR4 equivalent. Ron ----------- Ron, I just spoke with Ed (dyno tuner) he said they (the UR4 equivelent) should be ok... if they make a difference naturally aspirated we can compensate for the heat with more fuel to kill any detonation that may occur under nitrous. We're stoked about your product!
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