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Different Versions of 2.5L (Non-Fiero) by Master_Sushi
Started on: 10-10-2001 04:10 PM
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Report this Post10-10-2001 04:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Master_SushiSend a Private Message to Master_SushiDirect Link to This Post
What was the last year for the iron dukes? Last year for GM anyway.
I have heard that some of them put into cars other then fieros had like 110hp stock. I know they came in pontiac 6000's and S10's. Were any of these stronger/more powerfull then whats in our fieros. Also were they all DIS? Was the block stronger on any of them?Would it be a direct replacement to put say a pontiac 6000 iron duke into a fiero?

I've read a few things about this but thought it would be interesting to start a thread and find out everything I can. I'd like to hear anyhting you know!!!

Thanks for any input!

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Report this Post10-10-2001 04:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Hank is HereSend a Private Message to Hank is HereDirect Link to This Post
I know at least the 151 (2.5) was used in CJ jeeps in the early 80's.

when you look at S10's you have to be careful because the mounts on the block are different. I think you need to just look at the W block Dukes

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Report this Post10-10-2001 07:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
87-91 are all DIS motors and are used under VIN R and U. They are generally interchangable. I do not know which if any of the later ones actually gain HP or what is differant to gain it. It may simply be a GM numbers game. Knowing how cheep GM is I expect it's not much changed. They don't like having any more parts in inventory than they really need.

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Report this Post10-11-2001 01:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jelly2m8Send a Private Message to jelly2m8Direct Link to This Post
I think the jeep version was around 110hp.

Guess what I seen today? A 1993 Jeep with a 2.5, and a nice big hole in teh side of the block (on what would be the front side in a fiero) where the connecting rod broke on number 4 cylinder....

Apparently the weak connecting rod issue still remains...........

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Report this Post10-11-2001 09:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for erikredSend a Private Message to erikredDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by jelly2m8:
I think the jeep version was around 110hp.

Guess what I seen today? A 1993 Jeep with a 2.5, and a nice big hole in teh side of the block (on what would be the front side in a fiero) where the connecting rod broke on number 4 cylinder....

Apparently the weak connecting rod issue still remains...........

The 93 Jeep has a 2.5l Jeep engine. It is in no way related to the Iron Duke. Early eighties jeeps had Iron Dukes after that they came with an AMC 2.5l.

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Report this Post10-11-2001 09:35 AM Click Here to See the Profile for erikredSend a Private Message to erikredDirect Link to This Post

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I believe 93 was the last year for a Duke in an automobile. Just a guess, but GM probably got the extra power from the cam and maybe pistons. The cam itself seems to be a big weak spot for the Duke powerwise.

The strongest Duke is the Mercruiser, Volvo Penta, OMC 3.0l engine. It pumps out a reliable 140hp. The possible problems with putting it in a Fiero are bellhousing bolt pattern, engine mount location, and it comes with non cross flow heads. You could probably use a v8 adapter plate for the bell housing, motor mounts could be fabricated, and I believe the cross flow heads are a bolt on. You would lose some flow with the cross flow heads unless you want with SD heads. The Merc heads are SD cast iron non-crossflow.

As for strong auto applications, I wish I knew. It is rumored that s-10 blocks are stronger than the typical Fiero block. I would like to examine several different types and years of Duke componets to find out which are better. GM had a habit of continuously removing material from parts to make them lighter and cheaper. Your best bet for a strong Fiero block that will bolt in is an early eighties FWD car. Try looking at Chevy Citation and Celebrity blocks. I had an '80 Citation that did not want to quit. I ran the snot out of that thing. It finaly blew a head gasket when my father tried to run 80 with no water pump belt.

If anyone has more info on factory Duke parts let me know.

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Report this Post10-11-2001 10:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OreifClick Here to visit Oreif's HomePageSend a Private Message to OreifDirect Link to This Post
If you want to spend the money and change some mounting, You can get a 2.5L (151 cu in)
from a 1977-1980 Sunbird, Monza, Skyhawk, or Firenza. These engines are heavier due to increased webbing (very simular to the SD4 block) and have 4-bolt main bearing caps. You can use Chevy V-8 connecting rods. These engines are capable of getting 180-200 HP reliably. They are RWD blocks. Simular to the S-10/Jeep versions. The later 2.5L engines were changed to reduce weight and provide better gas milage. (read: reduce weight and cost) These older engines had 110hp using a 2-bbl carb in the older cars.
I know someone who converted one for his 86 Grand Am. It was setup for around 180hp but the cost to modify the block to fit in a FWD (transverse mounted) was expensive. If I remember it was around $1200 for the work.So by the time you find an engine, modify it, build it, you could probably go to a 2.8L or even a 3.4L for less.
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