Sweet mother Mary of GOD, is that thing BEASTLY!!! You did that on purpose, finishing this after I am close to losing my term position at my other job. Now I don't have enough money
Don't suppose you need beta-testers, do you? I'll slap CWESTCO stickers all over my Fiero! Please! PLEASE! PUH-LEASE!
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88formula Member
Posts: 2361 From: Worcester, MA Registered: Oct 1999
it is a 3" throttle body off of a 3.4 twin dual cam. It is a direct replacement for the stock plenum, just bolt it on - however we will do the install and all related work to install this unit when it is purchased
Have you installed one on an engine and what performance gains were noted? Can we get 1FST2M6 to try one on the Dyno? (When he gets back from his Honeymoon)
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c m west Member
Posts: 596 From: Marina del Rey, California Registered: Nov 2000
this is a one off, never been tried, never been tested. We have all the neccassary items such as fuel managemnet and hardware. The throttole body was cut off of the intake of the 3.4 TDC and applied to the Fiero unit. It will go to the highest bidder with free installation
Did you flow test the stock throttle body and the 3.4 throttle body for comparison? Also would be even better to hear what the flow through both the throttle body AND intake (the entire intake assembly flow numbers) is for both setups to compare. Should be relatively easy to do at a reputable engine head-building shop. Most anywhere that does racing engines will have a flowbench.
Just a recommendation: If you want to get maximum bidding on it, you should probably have some kind of numbers to show why it is better. Obviously, dyno numbers would be preferred to know what the engine management (chip and injector stuff) package can do, but this isn't possible if you want to sell it before you test it.
Good luck, and have fun with it!
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c m west Member
Posts: 596 From: Marina del Rey, California Registered: Nov 2000
like I said, these are just sneek peeks - NOT A FINAL PRODUCT - and if a person was to really get down and question why a 3.00" throttle body would be better over a 1.895" throttle body, then they would not be as automotively inclined as they think they are
Well, I wasn't expecting a snippy response, but don't worry, I'm not easily offended
Actually, if the throttle body flows as much as the plenum will allow, a larger throttle body would be useless. If the plenum has more potential, and a larger throttle body can realize that, then obviously it will be better. Also, you could have all the air flow imagineable, but without the proper fuel and spark equipment/performance it won't have any improvement.
I try to think I'm very automotively inclined, so I think a little deeper than the "more flow equals more power" mindset that those guys that think "I need a 4 inch exhaust pipe to get power" have.
Haha...how's that for snippy Eric, I'm not criticizing you or your work, just trying to generate some more information.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Well, it looks good. The proof will be on the dyno (and the track) though. I'll be interested to see how much the improved plenum size and throttle body size help when they still feed the stock intake runners.
Looking forward to some tests on this bad boy. Looks very interesting.
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BAM-BAM Member
Posts: 2258 From: Las Vegas, Nv. Registered: Feb 2000
Ok Eric, tell you what. You obviously need a testbed guinne pig, so here's the deal. I am swapping in a 3.4 in a couple of weeks, when I am finished I will drive down to Cali. and let you guys throw that "THING" under my hood. You can play with it for as long as you like. Oh BTW, I'll "LET" you keep my old plenum in exchange. The things I'll do to help out the Fiero community You can count me in as a test dummy for the twin TB also i guess Just get ahold of me when your ready.
Peace, B2(Westcoast Fiero testbed) OUT!
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88formula Member
Posts: 2361 From: Worcester, MA Registered: Oct 1999
That looks awesome , Eric. I just ordered a set of Stainless steel headers from you, your pictures of them look cool. I am interested in your induction systems , keep us posted, thanks !!!!!!!
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bcwawright Member
Posts: 125 From: columbus, GA, USA Registered: May 2001
Can't you adapt a FI Camero intake plenum to fit the 2.8L engine? I know this has been done before and then you can use the bigger throttle body. If you use the Electromotive TEC system it will automatically figure out the fuel/air mix and your off running.
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c m west Member
Posts: 596 From: Marina del Rey, California Registered: Nov 2000
I do not mean to be snippy at all guys, so I appologize - I just like to get down, dirty, and straight to the point the as little amount of B.S. as possible.
as for as the intake - it is completely experimental, fuel management will be supplied and we will install it. We simply built this unit for the highest bidder so that some Fiero fanatic out there can do the big Tim Allen "grunt" and say more power and look what I have.
I bet if the welds were ground smooth, and the whole plenum were powdercoated bright red with "Fiero" engraved in it, or somehow marked.. it'd look awesome.. right now it looks quite interesting, but unfinished (cause it is.. hehe)
not a bad idea... keeping the single TB just going a full 1 1/4" larger.. fuel shouldn't be that big of a problem... Eric is in california... the LAND of Dynos.. i'm sure they will dyno and post before and after what ever they install it on... thanks for the Plug though.. i think Sleeper needs it...
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c m west Member
Posts: 596 From: Marina del Rey, California Registered: Nov 2000
Hey Craig ( Sleeper ), I think we might just have to try it out on your car first - ya might change your mind about the 3800 - I think it would work best with a single cam 3.4
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by c m west: Hey Craig ( Sleeper ), I think we might just have to try it out on your car first - ya might change your mind about the 3800 - I think it would work best with a single cam 3.4
Hey, Chris, any chance you'll make more of these?
I just did a 3.4 pushrod swap. I assume it will go very nicely with that setup?
By the way, do you do 3.4 swaps?
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Sleeper Member
Posts: 726 From: Torrance, Ca Registered: Mar 2000
Originally posted by c m west: Hey Craig ( Sleeper ), I think we might just have to try it out on your car first - ya might change your mind about the 3800 - I think it would work best with a single cam 3.4
you and Chris still trying to get me to buy Keith's motor?
it will it work on the 2.8 right? so if i give you 150 bucks and you put that on. whos gonna pay for the dyno?
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1FST2M6 Member
Posts: 3905 From: Dallas, GA. Registered: Jan 2000
i think eric should eat the dyno costs... as R&D or even advertising {Tax write off) and the it'll only be what.. $120 for 2 strap downs and 6-8 runs. do you have dyno results of your car as it sits?
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Eric Member
Posts: 916 From: Columbus, Ohio Registered: May 99
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