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'86 or '86 1/2 - How do you tell the difference? by fierohoho
Started on: 05-28-2001 09:08 AM
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Report this Post05-28-2001 09:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierohohoSend a Private Message to fierohohoDirect Link to This Post
I guess the title says it all.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 09:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MarkSend a Private Message to MarkDirect Link to This Post
The fastback body style (GT) was introduced late in '86 and are sometimes called '86 1/2. They look like this.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 11:52 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fiero56Send a Private Message to fiero56Direct Link to This Post
There is no difference. '86GT='86.5GT. There were no '86GTs made with notchback. Also, the ".5" does not designate factory Getrag as some like to think, since it was introduced in late '86.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 12:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JayClick Here to visit Jay's HomePageSend a Private Message to JayDirect Link to This Post
In 1986 you could only get a 4 speed manual. The 86 1/2 introduced the 5 speed manual.

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Report this Post05-28-2001 01:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fiero56Send a Private Message to fiero56Direct Link to This Post
So, Jay:

By your reasoning, there would also be such a thing as an '86.5 v-6 SE as well. The v-6 SE got the Getrag as an option late in '86 too, but I've never heard people refer to the Getrag '86 SE as a ".5". Show documentation...

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Report this Post05-28-2001 02:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stimpySend a Private Message to stimpyDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Jay:
In 1986 you could only get a 4 speed manual. The 86 1/2 introduced the 5 speed manual.

No, no, no...
If that's the case, what's the difference between a 64 Mustang and a 64 1/2? The midyear designation only refers to a model that was introduced after the beginning of the calender year. Hence, an 86 SE manufactured in August of 86 is an 86, a GT manuactured in Februrary of 86 would be an 86 1/2.

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Report this Post05-28-2001 02:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for cadaverSend a Private Message to cadaverDirect Link to This Post
Since mustangs didnt come out in 64 theyWERE introduced half way through thre model yesr they are all 641/2 if they are a 64 model.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 03:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
I have seen an 86.5 fastback with factory 4 speed. Obviously, not all 86.5 fastbacks had the Getrag.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 04:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fiero56Send a Private Message to fiero56Direct Link to This Post
Will: Bingo! You nailed it. Out of the 17,660 '86GTs(or '86.5, take your pick), 9,284 had auto, 6,105 had 4-speed, and 2,271 had 5-speed(Getrag). What stimpy says is true. Seems every several months we have to set the Getrag/.5 believers straight.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 06:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JayClick Here to visit Jay's HomePageSend a Private Message to JayDirect Link to This Post
Sorry, didn't mean to get you guys all reved up! That was what was told to me back in 1986! I stand corrected!

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Report this Post05-28-2001 08:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RRobinsonSend a Private Message to RRobinsonDirect Link to This Post
OK, I'll wade in here...
I've got an 86 GT 5-speed, and an 87 SE V6 5-speed, but what I want to know is, has anyone ever heard of or seen an 86 SE V6 5-speed???
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Report this Post05-28-2001 10:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fiero56Send a Private Message to fiero56Direct Link to This Post
There were some made. But, since the 5-speed was introduced so late, there weren't many made.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 10:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierohohoSend a Private Message to fierohohoDirect Link to This Post
Soooooo, I have an '86 SE coupe 2.5L with a 5-speed Isuzu. If Stimpy is correct this is a '86

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Report this Post05-28-2001 10:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fiero56Send a Private Message to fiero56Direct Link to This Post
No. 2.5 5-speeds were available beginning beginning of '85.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 11:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stimpySend a Private Message to stimpyDirect Link to This Post
Wha?! I don't think that is what he's getting at. Yes that would be considered an 86, not an 86.5.
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So, let me get this straight, 86 came with a 4 speed and 86.5 came with either a 4 speed or a 5 speed? Because the 5 speed Getrag was introduced later in the year. Right? I thought that is what I said.
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Report this Post05-28-2001 11:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mrfieroSend a Private Message to mrfieroDirect Link to This Post
OK......I'll stick my nose in here. At the beginning of the 1986 model year (around Sept '85) the fastback was not ready yet. The available models were the 4-cyl. coupe, 4-cyl. SE & V-6 SE. The only trannies available were the auto., 4-sp. Muncie (V-6 only) and 5-sp. Isuzu (4-cyl. only).

In June 1986 (mid way through the model year) the fastback was finally ready. Initially it was only available with an auto or 4-sp. Muncie, because the Getrag was still being developed. By late July/early August all GT's (and SE's) had the 5-sp. Getrag (unless ordered with an auto, of course).

The ".5" moniker denotes the fact that the fastback model was a mid year model. This is because it was not available for the first half of the model year. The tranny availability has nothing to do with it.....otherwise the Getrag equipped GT's would be known as '86.75 models.

BTW....I did own a Getrag equipped '86 SE, so they were available at the same time the fastacks got the Getrag (very late in the production year). Since the SE model was available the entire model year there is no ".5" designation.

There were a TON of '86 SE's built because for much of the '86 model year it was the top of the line model.

I hope this helps clarify things a little better.

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So then according to mrfiero, all GT's are 86.5?
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Report this Post05-29-2001 12:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mrfieroSend a Private Message to mrfieroDirect Link to This Post
I personally don't like the ".5" designation......I call all '86 fastbacks GT's. If someone says "I have an '86 GT" it should mean the same thing as "I have an '86.5 GT".

That said, as long as people don't say that '86.5 GT's had the Getrag and the '86 had the 4-sp. I'll be happy.

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Report this Post05-29-2001 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JayClick Here to visit Jay's HomePageSend a Private Message to JayDirect Link to This Post
Got it!.....I think.
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