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4cyl to 3.4 - what do I need for the swap???? by qwikgta
Started on: 03-27-2001 10:35 PM
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Report this Post03-27-2001 10:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for qwikgtaSend a Private Message to qwikgtaDirect Link to This Post
First, yes I did a search, and found some good info, but I need more. I understand that with the 2.8 you can use some of the stock parts on the 3.4, but I have a 2.5 so what do I do now. I have a chance at a 94 3.4 with low miles. I can get the engine with the harness and ECM for $500. Do I have to get a donor 2.8 for the additional parts. If I don't can I hook up the 3.4 as is and mate it with the stock harness. Why do you swap the stock parts off the 2.8 in the first place, I don't care for a stock look. Any help would be great.

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Report this Post03-27-2001 10:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for c m westClick Here to visit c m west's HomePageSend a Private Message to c m westDirect Link to This Post
eccentially it comes down to this - you have to install components into the car to make it seem that you just pulled a 2.8 out of a V 6 Fiero, such as harness and computer
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Report this Post03-28-2001 01:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for qwikgtaSend a Private Message to qwikgtaDirect Link to This Post
CM - Are you telling me that I need to get a complete 2.8 with harness and ECM plus the same for the 3.4, then mix them together and put it into my fiero. If this is correct then what swap is the best for us 2.5 guys and by best I mean cheapest. I also have a line on a 1990 4.5L V8 with harness and ECM. If I went with this would I need to get any 2.8 parts???? HELP

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Report this Post03-28-2001 01:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for pontiacs4meSend a Private Message to pontiacs4meDirect Link to This Post
the hardest part of the entire swap is changing the throttle cable. A friend of mine took the one out of the v6 car to put the one in my car when I did my 4 to 6 swap, it took him over 3 hours to swap the one to the other. In short you need every wire and every cable, and everything. Its not that hard, I did it by myself in about 35 hrs.
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Report this Post03-28-2001 02:04 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 862M4inCASend a Private Message to 862M4inCADirect Link to This Post
I think what CM was trying to say is that you need to make the car "look" like it had a 2.8 in it, essencially with the wiring harness, throttle cable, ECM, etc. Since the 2.5 equipment isn't compatible with anything other than a 2.5.
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Report this Post03-28-2001 03:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tgowensClick Here to visit tgowens's HomePageSend a Private Message to tgowensDirect Link to This Post
the wiring harness, ECM and throttle cable along with everything from the heads up from a 2.8 is what you need..........you will also need to modify the coolant lines to connect up to the 3.4. -- If you plan on doing the work yourself you will need to scavenge the boneyards for the 2.8 parts -- if you try to use the 3.4 as is with its wiring harness and ECM, several other functions or your car (electronics, gauges, etc.) are not going to function properly..........
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Report this Post03-28-2001 06:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 87ECO5Send a Private Message to 87ECO5Direct Link to This Post
QW ...

I just had Ed Parks do this swap for me. He removed the 2.5 from my '87 economy coupe and installed a remanufactured 3.4 V6.

Email me privately if you'd like to discuss this in details ( Fiero87EC5@aol.com ).

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Report this Post03-28-2001 09:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for qwikgtaSend a Private Message to qwikgtaDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the replys..I think I am getting the idea. I have a good sorce for the 2.8 parts so getting them should be easy. After I get the parts from the boneyard, ECM, wires, cable ect, am I going to use any of the 2.5 stuff or do I strip it all out and use the 2.8 in its place. If "yes" then do I splice the "new" 2.8 stuff with the 3.4 or will I have to combine the 3.4 ECM with the 2.8 ECM. (did that make sence) Sorry this is so #$%# up, I just want to get this correct before I jump into a swap.

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Report this Post03-29-2001 02:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 87ECO5Send a Private Message to 87ECO5Direct Link to This Post
WARNING - LONG POST!

My AOL crapped out on me so I'll respond to your email here.

I'll tell you everything I know but I'm sure there's more. I'd suggest contacting Ed Parks as well. He is always more than willing to provide information.

What's been listed is pretty much the most of it. You'll need to locate a Fiero V6 engine and obtain these parts:

- lower intake
- secondary intakes
- plenum
- valve covers
- air filter housing and tube
- ECM and wiring harness
- flywheel (if you have the complete engine, you've already got this but I don't know if the 3.4 flywheel works - ask Ed or others here)

Some folks have said the cradle for the V6 is different that the I4. Others have said this is not true. The cradle in my car now is NOT the cradle that was in the car when I took it to Ed. Whether or not (a) he simply grabbed another cradle and began assembling without having to wait on my car or (b) the cradle is from a V6 car - I don't know.

The 4-banger cars came from the factory with a single-core radiator. The V6 cars use a double-core. For my swap, Ed kept the single-core radiator. His argument was that the single-core radiators, though having a smaller capacity, have a quicker flow. So, with the SC radiator, you're cooling less coolant but you're cooling it faster. Anyway, he said he's done many 3.4s like this and has never had a problem. The more people you ask about this, the more opinions you'll get. Again, talk to Ed for more information (and probably a better explanation too).

The A/C compressor on the 4 cylinder cars cycles differently than on the V6 cars. Both versions use the same compressor, just different settings. Ed said he changes these settings.

The 4-banger cars and the '85 GT all had reflector-style gauges from the factory. The '86-'88 V6 cars got backlit-style gauges. The 4-banger tach will not work with the V6 engine. So, if you intend to keep your reflector-style gauges, you need to "borrow" the tach from an '85 GT. For my conversion, I had Ed install a set of backlit-style gauges from an '87 GT. Also, keep in mind (THANK YOU, DREW!) that the 4-cylinder tach contained an oil pressure gauge ('85-'88 only, '84 had a voltmeter). If you convert to the backlit-style, you will lose this VALUABLE gauge (this gauge is located in the auxiliary gauges that sit above the radio pod for the backlit-style). For my conversion, I had a set of auxiliary gauges installed.

The fuel pump from a 4 will not flow enough gas to satisfy the thirstier 6. You'll need to drop the tank and swap the pumps.

The V6 hooks up to the coolant system differently than the I4. Unless I'm mistaken, everything behind the pipes that run underneath the car has to be changed.

Exhaust is not an issue unless you want it to be. Most will agree that the Fiero dual-exhaust is more for looks and sound than it is for flow. For my conversion, I kept my 4-banger's single-outlet system. In fact, Ed used everything from my car's system from the cat back. To go dual-outlet, I would have had to convert to a GT rear clip. Easily done, and not too expensive, but it wouldn't have looked right with my car's "non-ground effects" body style. Going to a Formula rear clip would have been better but Ed says the GT's trumpets rub against the Formula rear clip's narrower openings and damages them. Using different tips solves that problem but I was reaching the end of my budget so decided to wait. Besides, my car is a sleeper - from the outside, it still looks like a 4-banger. It just doesn't sound like one! :-) Having an '88, you've already got the Formula rear fascia (all '88 coupes had the dual-outlet clip). So, you've got a few more options available.

I'm sure there's more stuff - and if I think of it, I'll post it here.

Good luck and hope this helps.

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Report this Post03-29-2001 04:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jason FranciscoClick Here to visit Jason Francisco's HomePageSend a Private Message to Jason FranciscoDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the info as well. My friend is putting in a V6 into my 4cyl. right now. I have to show him this stuff just to make sure he does it right.

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Report this Post03-29-2001 10:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for qwikgtaSend a Private Message to qwikgtaDirect Link to This Post
87 - Thanks for all the info, I think I am going to pass for now. I am going to take my time with this and maybe get a complete donor car. It sounds like I need to talk to Ed and get some more info.

When it comes to all engine swaps, because I am starting with the 4 will I need to get the stock V6 "stuff" and add it to my swap, or with some swaps can I use my 4 banger stuff with the donor stuff.

Again thanks for the help

Rob

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