My Dad has a 1984 Fiero and we were thinking of putting a Ford Taurus SHO engine in his Fiero. From what we know so far the engine will bolt up to the subframe quite nicely and we have heard that someone has even done this already. We know that there is some customizing but the basic question is can it be done and what are some of the problems we might encounter?
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GT Bastard Member
Posts: 2243 From: Rapid City, SD Registered: Sep 1999
A better question would be, what problems WON'T you encounter. They're are plenty of easier ways to make horsepower without making your car into a morphidite. SHO motors are expensive to maintain and aren't impressive enough to justify that much work.
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cifc Member
Posts: 122 From: Fort Wayne, IN Registered: Jun 2000
Fiero Bob in Illinois has one almost done. He said it is a very tight fit. He isn't sure yet if there is enough room in there to allow for any engine movement. He also said he'd never do another one. --Jason
I'm severly depressed that you would do that to your poor Fiero. I agree with the need for anti rejection drugs. You're taking a beutiful one of a kind vehicle that was designed to use GM parts and wanting to put in a Ford engine. Why?
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TheFiero64 Member
Posts: 1345 From: New Bedford,MA,USA Registered: Mar 2000
Thats a really nice motor , yamaha made it , parts are expensive, We had a 94 SHO , Quick car , had a chip in it. But Talk about an Odd marriage... Yamaha in a Fiero. For ease of installation your probably best to stick to a conversion that has been done a lot , then your able to go on places like mailing lists and the forum to figure out minor bugs.
JM
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862M4inCA Member
Posts: 1133 From: Bakersfield, CA Registered: Dec 1999
This question got me thinking. Not about an SHO engine, but a number of years ago I drove around in a 1973 Opel GT. Parts and reliablility of the car as you can imagine were a nightmare (what do you expect for $600 hehe). Always having to go thru the engine my dad and I always wondered about "upgrading" the motor to either a toyota 16V or a Mazda rotary. Thinking about that time I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with doing the rotary swap? Not planning to do one of course since I'm quite happy with the duck I currently have in mine. Also, didn't Mazda also design a 3 rotor motor? All of the rotary engines I've seen from Mazda were 2 rotor. Just a little food for thought.
>My Dad has a 1984 Fiero and we were thinking of putting a Ford Taurus SHO engine in his Fiero. From what we know so far the engine will bolt up to the subframe quite nicely
Hmmm... I'm part way though the installation of a V-6 3.0 SHO (92 Tarus)into a modified Fiero. The bolt on parts are *expensive*
That, together with the 3800SC swap are kinda streching my time thin ...
The V-6 swap is not that hard. -220 normally aspirated HP ........ and that great engine sound ... I'll post some pics of the install if anyone wants them.
Gabriel, are you using reinforced motor mounts? As for the others who are wondering why we are thinking of putting a "Ford" engine in a fiero. It is because the engine is not Ford, it is Yamaha and it revs all the way to 7300 RPM and when we put in underdrive pulleys and an LPM it will rev to 8000 RPM with power. The engine is capable of handling 8500 RPM but the rev limiter was set at 7300 from the factor to save the accessory belts. So by utilizing underdrive pulleys the engine is happy to rev much higher without damage. Also, my question is that if you can fit a Northstar engine in the fiero how would that have any more room in it than a 3.0L v6?
I saw a SHO 3l in a lotus esprit once.Car started uot as an S4 but owner couldn't afford to have it worked on every three days. I don't know if it will work(then again, anything can work)and if thats what you want to do then by all means go for it. If I saw a Fiero with a 3.0 SHO motor I'd think it was cool,not talk **** on it.I'd know it was faster than mine.
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DJRice Member
Posts: 2741 From: Merritt Island, FL USA Registered: Jun 99
Originally posted by 862M4inCA: Also, didn't Mazda also design a 3 rotor motor? All of the rotary engines I've seen from Mazda were 2 rotor. Just a little food for thought.
Yes, it's in the latest RX7 twin turbo. All of the other generations (I believe) were two rotor designs.
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KRMFiero Member
Posts: 2711 From: Providence, RI Registered: Sep 2000
I would love to put a SHO motor in my fiero, my friend has a SHO (6cyl) and it screams... ti will spin 3 gears and smoke anything, my 4 bangeer fiero cant even come close to keeping up with it.
Kyle
PS: the engine inside his car is so tight already, you have to remove half the engine to change the plugs
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lou_dias Member
Posts: 5364 From: Warwick, RI Registered: Jun 2000
Originally posted by billyboy: Yes, it's in the latest RX7 twin turbo. All of the other generations (I believe) were two rotor designs.
Actually, the 3rd generation RX-7 had a 2 rotor engine, with twin turbos. The engine made 255 horse in stock trim. BUT it is a nightmare. In japan the 3 rotor is the 20b. It is available NA and Twin Turbo. It was put in the Cosmo in Japan, a car that was never imported. The RX-7 has never came with a 3 rotor. Quick lesson on rotary's, from a guy who had a 12 second RX-7. Simple, incredibly powerful for the size and displacement, still VERY early in development VRS the common piston engine, and VERY tempermental. When they work correctly, nothing is better. When the F*UCK up, nothing is worse! I really enjoyed mine, but I just couldnt afford the "Priciness".
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Eric Member
Posts: 916 From: Columbus, Ohio Registered: May 99
Originally posted by Eric: SHOdude, if you need a test subject my Fiero just lives up the road in Sunbury
SWEET! lol we should get together sometime and swap stories and check out each others cars :-) i'd also like to see if my 6'2" body would fit in a fiero! lol 86-88 GT's ARE SWEET ASS! lol
i'd also like to see if my 6'2" body would fit in a fiero!
No problem. There was a long topic here last year about that, and I couldn't believe how many Forum members are bigger even than me, at 6'1". I have the seat all the way back, but I'm very comfortable.
This SHO is mated to a Porsche transaxle via a Kennedy adapter plate. This trans is rated to handle a SBC's power. Also, by moving the firewall forward 4 inches, it was possible to mount the engine as a longitude. However, it may also be mounted transversely as well. I intend to experiment a bit.
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Eric Member
Posts: 916 From: Columbus, Ohio Registered: May 99
SHOdude, I was even thinking about chopping my fiero because I already have so much headroom . My car has a stroked V6, but really isn't as fast as the specs say it should be. I'd race you, but I know I'd lose. It's a black 88 GT with gold wheels. The body is a work-in-progress for sure because it needs the bumpers repainted. I'm putting a ton of money into the suspension right now, so I hope I get a good payoff.
There's a loosely knit band of forum members in central Ohio. We may get together and do something someday. But until then, you could just shoot me an email and maybe we could get together and trade stories. I'm always looking for people to autocross in the ovr scca club. There are always a couple of fieros duking it out, don't know about Tauruses though, but everyone's invited, even lame@ss fords j/k. My dad and I are building a cobra 427sc kit, so I'm quickly becoming a convert.
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mrfixit58 Member
Posts: 3330 From: Seffner, Fl, USA Registered: Jul 99
Originally posted by gabriel: Excuse the delay in posting ...
This SHO is mated to a Porsche transaxle via a Kennedy adapter plate. This trans is rated to handle a SBC's power. Also, by moving the firewall forward 4 inches, it was possible to mount the engine as a longitude. However, it may also be mounted transversely as well. I intend to experiment a bit.
hey is that your kit?? if so wasn't it on ebay a long time ago? man i think that is sho SWEET!! with a superchager and punched out and stroke it to 3.4l you can get 450-500 hp easily. i would love to see that thing run!!
>gabriel -- That looks SO WICKED! does the intake plenum say what I think it says? How'd you do that?
Hehe. I'll bet it does, Roy ... Here's how it was done:
As far as the Ferrari emblems on the intake plenum go, it's like a lot of other things when you're building something like this: You imagine, improvise, and hope it works! (with a dose of sound engineering principals thrown in along the way)
First, all the silver paint from the plenum pieces was glass-beaded off. Then the Ford and SHO reliefs were tig welded full of aluminum, ground and sanded down entirely smooth, the pins were located from the backs of the emblems (actual TR decklid emblems), drilled shallow dimples at their locations and cut the length of the pins down.
This is the "hope it works" part: Then used an industrial material known as Belzona to fasten them to the bare aluminum. It's a 2-part material that is used in the steel industry to repair everything from pump and gear casings to large bearing races. It's extremely pricey, but it sets up in a machineable state that's very temperature tolerant, and has nearly identical expansion/contraction properties to steel. (I know we're dealing w/ aluminum here, but it's the best I could do!!)
Then painted all the pieces with wrinkle finish black, cooked them in the oven (to the dismay of my now-ex-wife), and they're the pieces you see today!! See, it's simple!
>hey is that your kit?? if so wasn't it on ebay a long time ago?
Yes, it's my TR kit. I bought the body from a guy in Chicago who had made it from IGF molds. I have the time to complete it now, and I'm keeping it!
>supercharger and punched out and stroke it to 3.4l you can get 450-500 hp easily.
Stroker crank = $3700.00 & that's nuts. I'm looking for someone who can weld up the rod journals & offset it from 3.15 to 3.50, which together with overboring 0.122 inches, yields 3.6L.
Supercharged, that combo would need some headwork & cams plus a good header/exhaust setup & an LPM module. I'm looking for someone who has a used SC for sale. The Vortech 9psi kit is near $4,700 (again, that's nuts), so if I can find one priced less, I'll buy it.
Vortech claims: "In 9 psi trim it adds 130-140 HP and 100-110 ft.lbs of TQ."
I had contacted a local SHO club for some info, but once they found that I didn't own a Tarus, they blew me off. If anyone on the forum knows the SHO, let me know!
>This may be a dumb question, but... How does one go about moving a firewall 4 inches?
Not a dumb question at all. I had thought about firewall relocation before this kit, but the TR kit requires a 7.5 inch stretch, and that gave me more options. As for the actual relocation, it's just cut & weld.
Originally posted by gabriel: Maybe OhioSHOdude has a line on SHO parts????
if anyone you have sho questions, you can either got to shoforum.com or go to delphi.com, and join the shotimes forum (http://www.delphi.com/SHOtimes/start/) you'll have to sign up but it's worth it, it's still the best and everyone there will be most helpful. you need supliers? they know everyone that has SHO stuff on the delphi.com board. they will help with any SHO info you need! i love the fiero, it's to bad chevy didn't make them last ford might have made one and may have had a great battle like mustangs and camaro's! but oh well the big 3 screw us all the time. :-(
looks awsome in the Fiero. I like the longitudinal engine and transaxle. Lotsa work. First time I got to run a SHO I was in my AMG Mercedes SL running on interstate about 120. I was surprized to look in my mirror and see this Taurus moving up on me. I dont know if he had it stretched out but he kept rite up beside me till we both backed off.
GO BABY GO! 
we will all miss you.
