Well I got my 200 shot NOS
all set up on my 84 SE it is a wet
kit with four fogger tip's one for
each cylinder (50 hp pills each)
and a purge valve in the center of
the hump on my 85 GT hood. anyway
I got it all finished & hooked up
this morning and I took it to get
it's oil changed and to get new
plugs and the timing set fo the
NOS, I got into a open strech of
lans nice & flat no cars & no
cops, I was going abut 15 mph in
1st and i layed into it I
melted all the way through 4th (4-speed). I decided that that was enough for now I got out and lookt at my wonderfull posi marks. I got back in the car and got on it off the bottel and i heard a loud thunk and the car cut off Gauges to , I just figured the motor was blown. I poped the hood/decklid and looked at ot and it looks fine. The rear tranny mount is broken prety bad i'll need a new one for sure. But what did I break it must be a fuseable link right? all of my lights work, but my gauges won't come on and the car won't crank over (starter has no power) it has a new batery and had a tune up to day. no fuses are blown. sory this took so long

A friend forgot to put the metering nozzle in on his 92 3800SC. Boy was it an animal! The steering wheel was pretty much not involved in where the car went.

He got back and noticed the nozzle sitting on the bench. He thanked his luck stars that it didn't crunch the motor. He figured he hit it with a 200HP+ shot. 400HP+. Yeah, that should do it!

NOS is fun, but easy to abuse.

How much did you shoot into the engine?

You might have blown one of the starter links. Get a light bulb and start checking.

Terry

it's a 200 shot wet kit,

Could a wire to the starter cut off my gauges to? Why are they connected?

Light's don't go through the ignition switch so it's the swtich power buss that's dead.

Fusible Link A supplies the ignition switch buss to splice 206 to ignition switch pin B3.

I think you broke Link A. It's located on the RH side of the engine compartment at the batter junction block. Start looking there.

Terry

200???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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HOLLY COW A 200 SHOT OF NITROUS ON AN IRON DUKE! Is that motor built up?

About the power problem you probably broke some fusible links or a ground strap when the motor mount broke.

The engine has a Lunati crank, TRW pistons, Balanced rods (Not the crapy batch) and ARP bolts all around.

is there any where I can get a Diagram of the fuseible links? I can't planly see a broken one I looked all around the starter, Battery and alternator, Are there any hidden links? It is an 84 so there is no link box or any thing by the battery.

The fusible links are all connected to the starter for every accessory on your fiero. The GM service manual that you can get from the fiero store is a great tool with the wiring diagrams you need to diagnose your problem.

are you near a Dynojet center? www.dynojet.com it'd be interesting to see what the wheel HP numbers are... if you tell the dyno center another Dynojet center sent you over there you'll usually get a discount on the run... Engineered Performance in atlanta sent ya. What size nitrous/fuel jets are you using?

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The NOS kit I use is the "Pro Race Fogger System" it is designed for a Acura/Honda 2.0/2.2L VTEC (JEG'S# 741-04430). The kit uses a 20 lb. NOS bottle to feed 4 soft plume nozzles taped into the intake manifold. (1 per intake runner) I can shoot up to 150 hp per nozzle :D but thats way WAY to much for a Iron Duke, so I stick with 50 hp per nozzel. (200 hp total) There is also a purge valve mounted through the deck lid looks so so kool when I purge the tank. The car has been Dyno tested off the bottle I don't have the print out but peak hp was 122 hp @ about 4500, 30 hp up from the 93 hp base line done a year ago. as soon as i am sure the car will make the hour and a 1/2 drive to the dyno, i'll post the results on the NOS.

Xtreme... 122 HP? Not bad! I recognize that this is probably NOT a major consideration, but will the car pass emissions as configured? (NOS not withstanding.)
What other mods have you done to the engine?
I've got an 88 coupe that wants to eat Mustangs when it grows up.

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Raydar
88 Formula T-Top
88 Coupe (ISO big V-6)

When I die, I want to go peacefully, in my sleep, like Grandpa.
Not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

cool.. what nitrous metering jets are you using? the 30hp 132lbft jets i used were .042 and .046..

The car has a Weapon R intake, Monster flow air filter, Holley TBI, Ported heads & intake, NOS Pro fogger system, DC sports race exhaust, lunati crank (.500 stroke), Trw pistons (.30 over), ARP bolts, accell coil, 10.8 Accell wires and a 86 SE computer w/ chip & sister unit. This setup won't pass emissions due to the exhaust system, If I spliced a cat in there I think it would pass.

The pills i'm using i had to buy seprate from the kit, I got thefrom Prostart performance her in frederck MD. he just handed the 4 pills to me & said "you know where they go right?" when i go back to pick up my car i'll see what size they are he keeps them in a fishing box looking thing from like 5hp up tp 1000hp. so i'll have to ask him. Are there diffrent size pills that are still 50 shot?

If you're from around frederick, we need to meet up! We've got to show our cars off to each other. What are you doin later today. Do you have pics of your air intake setup? How do you run that with the funky shape of the holley tb

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Mike LeCompte
86 Fiero GT 3.2L w/ Nitrous

oh yeah there are many combonations to give you 50hp per cyl. it depends on comp ratio and A/F mixture the different metering jets can give you more than 50lbft but only show 15hp (p/cyl) https://www.fiero.nl/uploads/2m6dyno.jpg on of the run i did ... only 42hp but 77lbft... the most i ever layed down was 310lbft but only 202hp... WAAAAAAY more fuel than nitrous... Hey Hypnotise.. what jets are you running?

That's funny as hell, dude! You've gotta get pics of it smoking the tires.... Bwahahhahahahaaaaa

I just got back from the shop and my
car is wasted. i threw a rod right
into the starter how that happend 5 min. after I got off he NOS I have know idea. the rod burned out all the fuseable links. so the 15 sec 4 banger was just pulled from the car
and a awsome and powerfull stock 2.5 is in for now the rod screwed up my DC sports exhaust to I am so pissed. Now all I can do Is save up my money so I can drop in a V6 I want a 3.1 or mabye a 2.8 Turbo.

Well that's very interesting. I had no idea that with a wet kit you can adjust hp vs torque. I'm running a dry kit right now, but eventually i'm going to run a directport setup. I just have to get 6 nozzles together and a fuel selenoid. See here's the setup i want to run. 6 fogger nozzles, to a distribution block. Fuel being supplied from a seperate fuel cell in the trunk. 1 gallon cell with race gas. A fuel pump for a carberated car, low pressure, that way i can talk to guys with carbs and see how they set things up. Just an entrly stand alone system for the nitrous. Right now i'm running the same kit as shaun hammitt is. i had it jetted with a 70 shot, and they'res a thing called the by-pass jet. It uses pressure from the bottle to open the FPR up so the stock injectors dump more fuel. Someone explain how varing fuel vs nitrous flow can add more torque vs hp

Where did the rod break at and where did the piston end up? kind of sounds like you oil starved.

OGRE: we haven't found the piston yet the head looks ok (It may be cracked) so it didn't go out the top. the owner of Prostart Performance here in fredrick thinks that the piston slid down the piston bore & was torn up by the crank there where LARGE chunks of what looks like piston and block in the oil pan. I hear that if this had happend while I was burning up the tire the rod may have come through the fire wall and hit me.

I was just told about the Venom PC programable NO2 system, Has any one used this system? it is from what I hear it is a brand new PC adjustible (10-175 hp) Dry kit. It is so new I have now idea if it is worth the time & money.

don't WASTE YOUR TIME!!! and your money!!! hehehehe the Venom "magic Black boxes" are just that.. useless black boxes.. Venom came to the shop TRYING to install their computer controlled nitrous system on the NOPI Focus ( www.nopi.com , www.engineered.net ) the engineeres at Venom worked on trying to get it to open the solenoids for 2 days.. and even then bad things happend.. all the venom electroncis aren't what they appear in the magazine.. save your money... if your looking for an upgrade for the nitrous setup go with www.nitrousworks.com www.nitrousexpress.com or the always working and easy to install www.nosnitrous.com stay away from magic black boxes! The shop even had the Venom sponcered Civic. with their other magic black boxes that runs $400 and is an electronic throttle cam which stops the car from running above 6200rpm (redlines at 7500) gets crappy gas mileage and is SLOWER than before.. the ZEX nitrous kit is a good idea but once again not worth the money.. www.zex.com not sure if you've heard of the KISS factor... Keep It Simple Stupid.. they are trying to reienvent the wheel.. and it's not working. and it's funny Venom doesn't use their own electronics in their race car... humm.. wonder why... i'm sure venom makes nice stuff but i'm not impressed by them.. and haven't seem ANY HP or TQ increase with their install

the Venom Civic that has been to the shop.. qite a few times

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what do you see wrong with this "dyno" result? just to let you know how they are holding their hand out taking LOTS of money and not helping the performance enthusist (sp) the Vemon 400 available for import and domestic vehicles.. (our cars too) www.venom-performance.com i'm sure many of you don't care what a civc makes on the dyno.. but i've NEVER seen anything make 60hp and 195lbft of torque! (ok a Chevette diesel maybe) PLUS if you look at the area labled "throttle opening" who races at part throttle? at part throttle your crusing around town usually saving gas to get to the track, and is there a gain at full throttle over the stock application.. NO! I'm sorry for sounding brash but you'd think that the makers of these products would have a hard time sleeping selling these units for $400+ and KNOWING they don't help your performance. they do help in the deterioration of the cat. sense the engine is being over fueled and dumpin this raw fuel in to the cat. wasting gas. their nitrous computer works the same... on a percentage at that given % of throttle BUT the computer only has power to the solenoids at WOT... the same as everyone elses kits... I'd be hard pressed to deal with a company that will sell these products and be "proud" of them. sorry for the rant guys.. just don't want any of you to throw your money away.

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yeah trav i noticed the same thing. 62hp and 190ft lbs! AHHAHAHHA what the heck is that? Oh it's on a honda, maybe them have the numbers backwards Yeah that's more like it. 1.8 vtec 170hp baby! "yeah how much torque you got?" "ugh, What's torque?"

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Mike LeCompte
86 Fiero GT 3.2L w/ Nitrous

Is it just me or do the charts show that the Venom 400 makes NO power OR torque at full throttle?

Travis, Ya' think those weak results coulda been the result of a fried clutch?
<snicker>
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Raydar
88 Formula T-Top
88 Coupe (ISO big V-6)

When I die, I want to go peacefully, in my sleep, like Grandpa.
Not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

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Aren't HP and torque always equal at 5252 RPM?

yes phil they are. HP is a function of torque and speed. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but...

Torque x speed/5250 = HP

SO every dyno print out has to cross at 5250. that's where torque and hp are always, always, always equal.

Everything's correct except for the formula could be wrong, I'm not exactly positive, but it's along those lines.

WOW! yep your right Hypt... an example...

and YEAH either a bad clutch or he missed a shift! but as long as he has a fart can tip you'll still get the "Fly by" NO HP or TQ plus it stops the car from hitting it's redline, it cuts the fuel at 6500 and casues more problems than you could ever imagine. thier nitrous kit is the SAME thing.. lots of smoke and magic.. no results

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quote Originally posted by 1FST2M6: i've NEVER seen anything make 60hp and 195lbft of torque! [This message has been edited by Xtreme Fiero's (edited 08-15-2000).]

a VW TDI golf or bug?

why dont they show the RPM? Just the throttle angle, the test could be at 3000 rpm or 12,000 rpm I thik it's wierd that tey domy say or brag how much power the system makes.

yeah..VW TDI.. I said Chevette Diesel.. they are trying to mislead the people that MIGHT buy their product! by not showing rpm. i surely hope everyone here stays away from them.

well are there any good NO2 systems that have a progresive mode, no just ON & OFF?

yeah! the NOS progressive Nitrous Controller on a Dry manifold kit of theirs or a single fogger kit from Nitrous Works or Nitrous Express.. (NOS doesn't make a dedicated single fogger kit, but you can get the parts and do it yourself) but even then the solenoids will come on ONLY at WOT. when there is plenty of fuel and plenty of "want to win" coursing through you.. and once again.. who races at part throttle? I had nos kit #05120 with out changing anything just turning on the switch these are my results... the blue run is no Controller the red run is with the controller on.. as you can see by the time stamp on the top there wasn't time enough to change jets, or bottles all i did was turn the controller on! and hit the dyno button... it's worth every penny of the $450ish!

don't you think!

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see what I want is for the NOS to kick in like a Turbo is there any thing that can do that from NOS? The Venom system "says" it can do that but it looks like it sucks.

nos part #15835-c throttle position activated progressive nitrous controller. (not recommended for street use) can be adapeted to our cars. You really don't want nitrous on all the time that'll cause the car to run with CRAZY high cylinder temps, which can cause piston burning, ring failure, head warping, high NOx emissions. and a host of other things in addition to being REALLY expensive.. nitrous sells for $3.20 a pound here in atlanta (STP in Kennesaw) you can use (ok I can use) a bottle in about 3 minutes of the solenoids being open... or about 5 or 6 good drag runs with (small nitrous metering jets) with the bigger jets i had i'd get 4 MAYBE good runs down the track.. thats about 1 minute of actual solenoids being open... humm thats about $350 an hour to run the car on a progressive controller around for a "turbo" feel.. for a real turbo kit you'd have paid off in uum about 12 hours... nitrous is for CRAZY acceleration.. with my kit i could pull 0-60 in under 5 seconds and lift the front tires on a whim... if that doens't get you into the cool crowd where you are and scare the honda punks... i'm really glad i don't live there!