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87 SE manual? fun topic, maybe? by ounmongk
Started on: 04-09-2000 05:24 PM
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Report this Post04-09-2000 05:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ounmongkSend a Private Message to ounmongkDirect Link to This Post
this one is for all of my fellow 87 SE owners. if you look on the owner's manual, there's a picture of somebody's face? who is it, and why is he (or she) on the cover to begin with??
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Report this Post04-09-2000 07:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for OreifClick Here to visit Oreif's HomePageSend a Private Message to OreifDirect Link to This Post
The face is an Indian (american). It is Pontiac's original logo. The old Pontiac's had indian heads on the logo's. In fact most Pontiac's from 1970 and before had a red indian head (profile) as the high beam lighted indicator on the dash.
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Does anyone recall the "Tin Indian" designation from way back?
The name disappeared with the logo I suppose.
I have an '87 S/E,but no manual,does anyone have one to spare/sell?
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oh wow... I wonder why they chose native americans? you'd think pontiac would not pick a demographic to represent cars. did they do this for all their cars? this is interesting!
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I think Pontiac was a midwest indian tribe. That is the reason for the logo. I know there is a Pontiac MI and a Pontiac IL.
But as to exactly why, Inquiring minds want to know.
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OK OK here is probably where Pontiac got it's Indian logo. Read on.....

Pontiac was an Ottawa, born about 1720 in the Detroit area. His mother was a Chippewa and his father an Ottawa. He was raised as a member of his father's tribe. Although little is known about his early years, as a member of the Ottawa, he probably traded with the French fur-traders who were in the region. By 1755, Pontiac had become a chief.
Pontiac was part of a group of Indians that met with Colonel Robert Rogers, a successful and well-respected British commander, after the defeat of the French in Canada to formally meet with the British. At the meeting he acknowledged King George III as an uncle, but insisted that they both had equal status as leaders.

Pontiac was not happy with the way the British were treating the Indians and wanted to force the British to stop letting white settle in the area west of the Appalachian mountains. To reach his goal, Pontiac began organizing many Indian tribes together to reach this goal. Pontaic's message of united Indian resistance was accepted among many groups, including the Delawares, Hurons, Illinois, Kickapoos, Miamis, Potawatomies, Senecas, and Shawnees. The Ottawas and Chippewas were also a part of this united effort. After a final council in 1763, warfare began.

The Indians had success waging war on frontier settlements that were not protected. The British also had many small forts on the frontier that were easily overcome by the Indians. Many British soldiers were killed in the attacks. The Indians attacked Fort Detroit and Fort Pitt but were unsuccessful in capturing the forts. The Indians were counting on French support against the British in order to take these two forts. The French support never came. As winter was getting close, may of the Indians who were fighting were concerned about their families and went home to take care of their families. Smaller battles continued for several years. In 1766, Pontiac signed a peace treaty at Oswego. One of the conditions of the treaty was Pontiac was not considered guilty of any wrong and was allowed to return home to his family who were living on the Maumee River.

After Pontiac's War, the British told settlers not to move west of the Appalachian mountains. This land was for the Indians. However, many settlers ignored this and moved into the frontier. As more whites moved onto the frontier, the fighting increased. This time, Pontiac favored peace over war.

His views were not popular with many of the younger Indian warriors. In 1769, an Indian from Illinois named Black Dog murdered Pontiac. It is believed that the British also may have paid Black Dog for the murder in order to get rid of a great leader who was against the British. Although Pontiac never achieved his dream of a united Indian front, his dream lived on and was adopted by other Indian leaders such as Little Turtle and Tecumseh.

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I think your pretty close to right Orief. I think Pontiac took it's name from an idian chief of a mid-west indian tribe...Chief Pontiac
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Very good Orief...I must have posted the last comment at the same time you did.

[This message has been edited by 2M4 Dale (edited 04-09-2000).]

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Report this Post04-09-2000 11:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for lowCGSend a Private Message to lowCGDirect Link to This Post
A lot of cities and towns were named after Indian leaders,or simply with an Indian(excuse me,native American)name,or spelling.
Remember Indian motorcycles too?
I read somewhere,may have well been at the Henry Ford Museum,that this was a time when there was a strong Indian presence,but it was pretty obvious that the group was reducing fast,and the names were more,or less placed out of respect for the culture.
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Report this Post04-10-2000 09:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MonkeymanSend a Private Message to MonkeymanDirect Link to This Post
Hey! Wasn't there a car company named, "Pontiac", too? Maybe part of GM?
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