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high performance on a modest budget by GEORGE S
Started on: 08-21-99 12:46 AM
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Report this Post08-21-1999 12:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GEORGE SSend a Private Message to GEORGE SDirect Link to This Post
without doing a northstar conversion, what inexpensive upgrades can be done to a 2.8 v6 and what will they cost?
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Report this Post08-21-1999 08:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WisconsinGTSend a Private Message to WisconsinGTDirect Link to This Post
George, Here are a few mods that I have had done on my 2.8. and the cost.

1) Remove restrictive areas on exhaust manafolds. $70.00

2) Pocket port heads. $150.00

3) Mill heads. ?

I am sure there are many more options out there. But this is all I know at the moment that has worked for me. Good luck

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Report this Post08-21-1999 11:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for terrykSend a Private Message to terrykDirect Link to This Post
Go to 1.6:1 roller tipped rockers.

If you port, leave the vane (bump) in the intake port alone. This is what increased the head flow 17% on the HO heads.

Better cam, etc.

If you mill, stay below .030" and have the intake milled to match. A friend milled .060" and the intake sits on the block.

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Report this Post08-22-1999 12:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mwbackusSend a Private Message to mwbackusDirect Link to This Post
The Fiero V6 ignition system is one of its weakest points. Tends to run a bit low on fire above 3500 rpm. Anything done to improve this is going to help alot. A hi-energy coil such as the MSD GM Blaster II or the Accel equivelent are quite inexpensive (< $40). The MSD 6A ignition control will complement this and has been proven to be very beneficial(~$130). Good spark plug wires are essential with the increased spark energy. I suggest Magnecor KV-85's Part #6538 (~$85). If you plan to remove your motor, then the list is nearly endless, so I wont go there. I would like to point out, however, that the clutch is an area that should concern anyone that removes the engine. The stock 2.8 V6 shows its teeth at low rpm, where it exhibits a considerable amount of torque with very little absorbtion by the drivetrain. The little stock clutch tends to slip a bit under these conditions and can result in some performance loss off the line, during shifts, etc.. A heavy duty clutch with kevlar lining addresses this problem adequately. The guys at the Fiero Store have researched this intensely over the last 8 yrs, thats the setup they came up with to solve this problem, and it works well for me. The single best bang for the buck mod would of course be Nitrous Oxide. "NOS systems" makes a kit for MPFI that works great, although it is slightly more expensive than "The Nitrous Works" #13093 kit which is available for less than $450.

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Report this Post08-22-1999 03:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GEORGE SSend a Private Message to GEORGE SDirect Link to This Post
nwbackus, this is the kinds of upgrades that i was looking for. where would i buy these parts from? what do you think about changing the computer chip? is it worth doing. how difficult is adding a NOS system? is there any long term damage to the motor?

thanks for the info!

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WisconsinGT,how would i go about removing the restrictive areas on the exhaust manifold? is this something i can do by myself?

thanks for the info!

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Report this Post08-22-1999 03:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for biggdaddySend a Private Message to biggdaddyDirect Link to This Post
Unless your very well equipped at home, your going to need to find a good machinist to do your porting work.
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Report this Post08-22-1999 04:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PhilSend a Private Message to PhilDirect Link to This Post
The exhaust is very easy to do at home,the hard part is getting them off without snapping any bolts off thats when the fun starts.
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Report this Post08-22-1999 04:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mwbackusSend a Private Message to mwbackusDirect Link to This Post
Most of the equipment (MSD,etc.) that I mention above can be obtained online from performance parts suppliers, they also offer free catalogs :

http://www.jegs.com
http://www.summitracing.com

You may find that your local performance shop may have lower prices for these items, so check there too. Magnecor race wires may be somewhat harder to find, they are usually not available locally, but they are available directly from Magnecor:
http://www.magnecor.com

The best information I have found for near step-by-step NOS installation on the Fiero V6:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1930/fiero.html

As far as chips go I can only give my own opinion, which is that any "significant" performance gains will be achieved using the benefits of low temp operation with the Hypertech Thermomaster. In most cases however, these chips require the use of premium fuel, which can be a big drawback when operational costs vs. performance benefits are considered.
Most applications also require removal of the cat. convertor which may not be possible for street legal operation in your area.

An underdrive pulley may also be something to consider. I have heard that they may adversly effect the charging capabilities of the electical system, but I have not been unable to verify weather this actually occurs on the Fiero V6. I would obtain this item from "The Fiero Store", they include new belts. :-)

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Report this Post08-22-1999 05:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GEORGE SSend a Private Message to GEORGE SDirect Link to This Post
MIKE, thanks for the web sites!i didn't see a NOS system listed in the big fiero parts book. which system would you reccomend?


thanks for the info!

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Report this Post08-22-1999 06:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mwbackusSend a Private Message to mwbackusDirect Link to This Post
whoops.. I gave the wrong link on the NOS installation page, it should be:

http://members.aol.com/shaun41178/

The NOS systems kit (part #5120) is probably the best(The Fiero Store - $549), but "The Nitrous Works" #13093 kit is comparable, and should save you at least $100 over the NOS kit. The #13093 (avail. from Jegs) is a 70 HP shot fixed system, so you will want to consider the current state of you engine in this decision. A 70 HP shot is the maximum that I would advise without some extensive internal modifications and timing curve controls (A worn high milleage motor that pings under acceleration with reg. fuel would not be a good candidate for even a 50 HP shot). If you do intend on using NOS, I would look into the Jacobs Ignition controls. They have systems that include a microswitch to trigger a timing retard controller. The Jacobs ignition systems are quite a bit more expensive than MSD, and comparable as to what they accomplish, but the microswitch trigger would be very advantageous in a NOS setup.

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Report this Post08-23-1999 01:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Shaun41178Send a Private Message to Shaun41178Direct Link to This Post
Actually the Nitrous Works nitrous kit is adjustable. I have talked to a gentleman that installed this same kit on his V6 Fiero alhtough I forget who it was.

He said that the kit was adjustable and it is a wet kit which means that both fuel and nitrous are injected into the engien before the throttle body. The kit is available from Jegs for $439.

The NOS kit is around $500 and is a dry kit which means it only shoots nitrous into the engine before the throtle body and uses a vacuum regulator to raise the fuel pressure in the fuel rail by closing off the factory fuel pressure regulator in effect raising fuel pressure to keep from running lean

I have installed the power pulley from the Fiero store and have had no charging problems. Everything works just as it did before. I don't know how much power it gave but you won't feel a differnce but youwill see a difference in qtr mile times. I did. I went from a 14.8 to a 14.4 with the pulley. How much of this is do to the pulley I don't know but it should be worth at least a .1 in the qtr.

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Report this Post08-23-1999 02:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mwbackusSend a Private Message to mwbackusDirect Link to This Post
Hmm.. perhaps he was using the Universal EFI #13080 kit(same price as the #13093)? If I may ask, what alternator do you use (amperage) and do you have power accessories, AC?

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Report this Post08-23-1999 02:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mwbackusSend a Private Message to mwbackusDirect Link to This Post

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It just occured to me that this is the 2nd example of a 4 tenths better 1/4 I have seen on this forum from the underdrive pulley installation!! It will undoubtable be my next purchase.
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