The economy, is it good or bad. (Page 93/181) Red88FF NOV 29, 11:24 AM CNN blows dog, and is one of the worst political tools. It is not like this is in any way new news, other than yes, energy costs are up! They personify the liberal press and the basic ideological differences between the two predominant political parties. One is doom and gloom and you are one step from the sh!tter. The other is of how good we really do have it and looking for a brighter future. Easy to spot who is who in this thread for sure. Pyrthian NOV 29, 11:32 AM quote Originally posted by Red88FF: CNN blows dog, and is one of the worst political tools. It is not like this is in any way new news, other than yes, energy costs are up! They personify the liberal press and the basic ideological differences between the two predominant political parties. One is doom and gloom and you are one step from the sh!tter. The other is of how good we really do have it and looking for a brighter future. Easy to spot who is who in this thread for sure. and, what of those who are concerned for friends & family who are sinking? I know how good I have it. but, I also know how things work. I am not gonna put on a blindfold, and keep spouting everythings great - because I am fine. but, I can see how NOT being selfish is a minority in success..... Red88FF NOV 29, 11:45 AM Just pointing out ideological differences, that is all. The only people I personally know that are in the shitter did the arm loans, rammed themselves into personal dept, or have drug problems, sure it may be a somewhat narrow view but it IS what is happening in my area. Again Just pointing out ideological differences, that is all. Pyrthian NOV 29, 12:21 PM well, this thread is more about "the economy". which of course is a super vague term. overall - the economy is just fine. its not as great as it was has been recently, but it sure aint "in the pits". yes, many people are having problems due to over confidence, and of course - piss poor planning. credit cards & the consilidation loans that followed made it too easy for many people to get goods they really shouldnt have bought. 10 years in debt for 3 years worth of items. yes - bad plan. I admit I got pulled in too. took me quite sometime to pay off credit cards & student loan. but, that aside - the damage is done. do you realize that desperate people do deperate things? this is why we pay "unemployment" - to keep the recently unemployed from robbing us. dont for a minute think these programs are because we are compassionate people. it is for safety. when many people are forced backwards, they do retailiate. and, this just makes things worse. to many desperate people can in fact pull the economy WAAAY down and cause endless freedom infriging laws. Phranc NOV 29, 12:26 PM quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: so, rising prices & not rising wages their fault?? Not managing their money better is. They aren't in debt because the price of gas is up. quote hmpf, never woulda thunk it. you could say "get a better job". but, now - is there really room in the workforce for 60% of the population to "get a better job"? How about spending their money more wisely? Do you think 60% can do that? quote maybe you should just step back, and stick with "it dont affect me none" and shut up. fine, we get it - your impervious. Why should I shut up? Is it because you don't like what I have to say? To bad. Don't read it. And I'm not impervious because of some majical reason. I planned and did smart things with my money. quote so, what is the secret to getting gas & electricity at lower rates? can you please enlighten the rest of us, who have to buy it at market price? as far as I can tell, the only answer is to use less. When did I say I got it cheaper? Thats right I didn't. Putting words in peoples mouth like that makes you look like a bitter man. But you are right. Use less. Use less electricity, gas, credit, you know save money instead of getting a new 40 inch flat screen or luxury car you can't afford like the house you couldn't afford. That would fall under better money management. Why is it when you say use less its ok but when I say it you tell me to shut up? Red88FF NOV 29, 12:27 PM Yes! I have said that many times about welfare payments, protection racket. 84Bill NOV 29, 12:38 PM Adain... as in many other threads... Choosing to ignore, down play or diflect will not help. IOW, Ignorance solves nothing, just adds to it. Pyrthian NOV 29, 12:41 PM quote Originally posted by Phranc: When did I say I got it cheaper? Thats right I didn't. Putting words in peoples mouth like that makes you look like a bitter man. But you are right. Use less. Use less electricity, gas, credit, you know save money instead of getting a new 40 inch flat screen or luxury car you can't afford like the house you couldn't afford. That would fall under better money management. Why is it when you say use less its ok but when I say it you tell me to shut up? lol - yes - that was a bit of a bitter post - sorry. and, I am 100% with ya on not feeling sorry for people who bought 40" flat screens & a lexus on credit, and wont be able to pay it off for 10 years. and, I do see quite a bit of it - the brothers out here just looove lexus's. (lexi?) 84Bill NOV 29, 12:44 PM quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: lol - yes - that was a bit of a bitter post - sorry. and, I am 100% with ya on not feeling sorry for people who bought 40" flat screens & a lexus on credit, and wont be able to pay it off for 10 years. and, I do see quite a bit of it - the brothers out here just looove lexus's. (lexi?) Way back in the olde days they called people who sold crap the "Snake Oil salesman" Today they are called bankers and loan officers. The government does nothing but support this snake oil industry because of the power of lobbying which drown out the voice of the people when they cry foul. Pyrthian NOV 29, 01:52 PM and, in the mob days - racketeering & loan sharking...... I agree 100% with personal financial responsibility - but, when they prey upon young adults, barely stepping into the world, and get them to sign away the next 10 years of their lifes - I find that a bit distasteful. especially when peddling drugs is illegal for the same reasons.