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Toddster
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NOV 15, 11:47 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Tha Driver:
Notice Todd hasn't been back since he posted that screen shot of the email that proved I was right about not requesting the extra photo.... 
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As far as I am concerned you can sit here and circle jerk all you like kid. You have issues. Yes, I made a mistake listing the mats under the NEW category. An honest mistake which anyone could have made since I clearly described them as USED in the description. I do a lot of copy an paste when I list auctions and the last thing I listed prior to this item was a NEW shifter. As for the post above from eBay it clearly shows that I WAS telling the truth in that someone DID ask for photos of the back of the mat. I can't be expected to know everysingle persons eBay ID when I have litterally received hundreds of emails in the last 2 weeks. Despite which it does NOT alleviate YOUR obligation under both common sense and the specific terms of the auction to satisfy yourself by asking questions BEFORE you bid.
You made a mistake too.
The difference between us is that I am man enough to acknowledge my own errors and I do not post my personal dirty laundry on a forum in a pitiful attempt to gain some level of personal validation by a bunch of strangers.
Mike, PM replied to. I'll ship the mats tomorrow. I know your good for the money. Paypal me whenever.
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Tha Driver
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NOV 15, 02:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ohioindy:
I am not trying to be ruthless or pi$$ anyone off.
I just have some major issues with this entire scenario.
One thing that really bakes my potatoes is I did not out bid Paul on these because he was a member of the forum. I debated for several minutes weather or not to snipe him, but felt it better not to. I have 3 sets of these and, as mentioned above by the man from Texas, one set is in a box in my closet. So I decided to pass on them. The auction ended, he won, I thought, sweet they went to a good home for a good price. Then I read this thread saying he got screwed….WTF??? 
Then I make Paul an offer to receive the mats and if he wasn’t happy I’ll give him what he paid for them
“editor’s note…I would be paying for shipping from Todd to Paul and also shipping from Paul to me”.
That offer was shot down immediately.
Like I said before this was nothing but bad timing with the posting of the pic of the back of the mat. I seriously doubt Todd was trying to get one over on you. But he is trying to get top dollar for the items he is selling, just like every E-Bay seller out there. He has not been on line, probably because he has a life “unlike some of us” and this is a hobby. Don’t get me wrong I’m not butt kissing Todd he has said some things on this forum that has raised my blood pressure. 
But I read threads all the time from many other members that inflame me. But I just let it go.
Remember kids….this place is a playground. Play nice or you will have to stay inside during recess.
I don’t need anymore friends…I have 6…That’s all I need to carry my casket.
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I don't think you did anything to peeve anyone. You responded with an opinion of the condition of the mat, which is all I ever wanted from this thread. If someone dosen't like that it's their problem.
Really you knew it was me (a member here) that was bidding? I didn't realize that anyone here knew my ebay username; I certainly didn't know anyones' (know todds now).
As for the offer, I suggested you buy them directly from todd to save you shipping. I thought that was OK - was it not?
As for todd, I wouldn't have a problem with him if he had simply refused to accept my offer to void the auction. (although I think I was being reasonable in my request.) Instead he gets this attitude (all because he thinks *I* requested the extra photo) & then jumps in here (where I'm simply trying to get opinions on the condition of the mat) & starts calling me names & screwing up the thread/forum/peoples' sanity - showing what a jerk he is. Calling me a pinhead, bastard, & other crap was enough for me to decide to not *ever* do business with him. I never believed he was trying to rip me off, just that he was way off base in his description. I started this thread to get opinions of the condition 'cause I thought if he was a reasonable man he would see my point. I can now see he's not reasonable.
No one has an issue with you Indy.
Edit: Wait, woah; did I say I got screwed? I sure don't remember that....
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
I checked today and... this is the oldest I've ever been.[This message has been edited by Tha Driver (edited 11-15-2007).]
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Tha Driver
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NOV 15, 02:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by CenTexIndy:
Tha Driver - nice collection you've got going. Are you REALLY going to let this little incident stop you from showing your car?
It's always fun to show the Indy with all that stuff....don't let the mats become an issue....you appear to have more passion than to let something as simple (yes, simple) as this incident keep you from doing it.
If you really have proof that your car was one of the Festival Cars, PLEASE make sure that we get your VIN so that we can get more info on the cars that were at the track for the 500.
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Damn dude that's some collection you have!!! The room I live in (I don't have a house) is not a lot bigger than your collection room.
I don't know if I'll show it or not. It's gonna cost 50 bucks to put it in the World Of Wheels. I'll probably take it to a couple local shows next year - they don't cost much. I'm DEFINATELY *over* spending any more money on the car, though. Other than keeping it on the road I'm not gonna do much of anything to it. I'll spend my hard-earned money on my other projects. Hell they're going to be much more fun anyway with V8s & custom bodies & such.
I do plan to send the VIN to Rick to put on his list. As for proof, it has what's left (very little) of the Flag Lot sticker on the winshield, & I got the envelope from Indy that it supposedly came in. I'm sure it was a parade lap car, but who's to say that's *proof*? I contacted Indy (museum division) but never heard back from them.
I also have a LOT of other paperwork that came with the car new.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
Remember 1/2 of the population is below average.[This message has been edited by Tha Driver (edited 11-15-2007).]
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Tha Driver
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NOV 15, 02:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Toddster:
As far as I am concerned you can sit here and circle jerk all you like kid. You have issues. Yes, I made a mistake listing the mats under the NEW category. An honest mistake which anyone could have made since I clearly described them as USED in the description. I do a lot of copy an paste when I list auctions and the last thing I listed prior to this item was a NEW shifter. As for the post above from eBay it clearly shows that I WAS telling the truth in that someone DID ask for photos of the back of the mat. I can't be expected to know everysingle persons eBay ID when I have litterally received hundreds of emails in the last 2 weeks. Despite which it does NOT alleviate YOUR obligation under both common sense and the specific terms of the auction to satisfy yourself by asking questions BEFORE you bid.
You made a mistake too.
The difference between us is that I am man enough to acknowledge my own errors and I do not post my personal dirty laundry on a forum in a pitiful attempt to gain some level of personal validation by a bunch of strangers.
Mike, PM replied to. I'll ship the mats tomorrow. I know your good for the money. Paypal me whenever. |
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You STILL think im a kid???
I never had an issue with the "new" catagory. Did I ever say anything about that?
Well you accused *me* OVER & OVER of asking you for the extra photo EVEN AFTER I REPEADEDLY TOLD YOU IT WASN'T ME!!!! You just can't seem to get *any* facts straight.
Yeah I made a mistake in taking your word for the condition & then I tried to work it out so that it wouldn't cost you anything - MY MISTAKE!
Just remember YOU are the one that started the argument here when all I ever wanted was opioions on the condition of the mat. YOU were the one that kept INSISTING that *I* requested the extra photo. YOU have still not admitted you were wrong about that just that "I can't be expected to know everysingle persons eBay ID". Well I suggest you keep the IDs straight from now on....
What better place to get opinions on the codition of the mat than a forum where folks know the subject matter? STRANGERS give the most UNBIASED opinions! Which BTW you seem to have completely ignored.
Edit: Here is the summary:
1) 4-5
2) the driver side doesn't look like a "9"
3) Based on the condition of the front side of the drivers side mat alone I don't think thay should be called a nine.
4) This is my opinion as well (response to # 3 above)
5) I'd give them a 7, but no way a 9
6) definitely not a 9
7) I certainly don't think they're a "solid 9".
8) Definitely not a "solid" 9
9) solid 9 out of 10? probably. but, I am basing this on how much better do you think is possible to find? (a mis-guided person that thinks it's a sliding scale ;-)
10) post up the email where he asked for pics. If it is him then i say he had a chance to see them, if not then let him split the ebay fees and relist them it sounds like a fair deal
11) Ditto. Man up and post the email.
12) I vote 5.5 out of 10
13) they are not a 9
14) those mats are not 9 out of 10
15) I would say those are in great condition considering that they are better than 9 out of 10 other mats in cars right now. a fiero around here in michigan, is a 9/10 car even if it has typical rust in the trunk and such (another sliding scale ;-)
16) driver side mat looks a little used and about a 6-7
17) Todd, Did you overstate the condition of the mats? Yes.
ONLY folks that thought they're anywhere near a nine were of the opinion that there are no "perfect 10s" & were going to a sliding scale. THIRTEEN for less than 9; TWO using a sliding scale said 9. What does that tell you?
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The difference between us is that I tried to work it out & YOU were not man enough to do so.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
Some people are like a Slinky, not good for anything, but they bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.[This message has been edited by Tha Driver (edited 11-15-2007).]
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buddycraigg
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NOV 15, 03:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by CenTexIndy:
BTW - here is some of my stuff:
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you need help...
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buddycraigg
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NOV 15, 03:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Toddster:
by a bunch of strangers.
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yeah, you cant get any stranger than this group
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CenTexIndy
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NOV 15, 03:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by buddycraigg:
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on so many different levels.....
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ohioindy
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NOV 15, 04:16 PM
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darkhorizon
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NOV 15, 04:32 PM
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x2, You need to buy them, and get over yourself. I dont think there is any reason these would not pass as a show quality mat for the IMO low price you paid for them.
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JazzMan
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NOV 15, 06:14 PM
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