Terrorists throw support behind Democratic candidate Barrack Obama (Page 9/11)
Phranc MAY 15, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


And you a scared skanc like pussy hiding behind a keyboard pretending to be a man.




Awwww aren't you cute when you get called out for being the liar you are.

Now I noticed in your pathetic rant you failed to tell us how exactly the US being an ally with Israel is a violation of the constitution. You can't. Thats why you didn't. But its easier for you to lash out like a grade school girl then actually back up your bs. And when confronted you send a thread straight to the trashcan. And I bet your next move will be to play the victim. Maybe even threaten me with violence again. Or threaten to get the law on me. Or cry about how I'm making it hard for you to live from the stress.

Speaking of being a man you taking care of your kids yet bill or are they still selling of things to make ends meet?
2.5 MAY 15, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by JazzMan:

The Republicans took power of the House in 1994 and with election of Bush took the Executive in 2000. They had total control of both for six more years and during those years nothing happened in the government unless it was Republican-approved. The Democrats were completely shut out of government. Except for a very few token (and relatively trivial) bills, for all intents and purposes there has no Democratic input into the government of this country since then. Even now, since the 2006 elections, it's been essentially a stalemate with the Republicans blocking and sabotaging anything the Democrats try to do. So, it is literally true and factually correct to state that everything we are now as a nation is directly a result of eight to fourteen years of Republican leadership. It has been more than eight years since the Democrats have had a meaningful presence in our government, fourteen years since the Republicans gained enough power to do whatever they wanted.

We handed Bush a nation that was not at war, a nation with a balanced budget, a nation that was paying down our national debt and therefor opening up our options for our future fiscal health as a nation. We handed the Republicans a healthy nation where everyone was increasing their wealth, not just the top five percent. And like an ignorant child with an expensive toy, our nation has been damaged badly, perhaps even beyond repair.

The Republican party may have had some good people in it in the past, but starting with Reagan it's had nothing but crooks, liars, deceivers, and traitors.


JazzMan



Thats kind of a silly opst, each side claims this about the other, when actually there are long lasting effects from the previous side. I hope Jesse Ventura runs, I'd vote for him, this 2 party thing we got goin is trashing us all.
84Bill MAY 15, 02:11 PM
Just cant let it go can you Skanc?
I thought I told you to never quote me in reply, in fact I know I told you but apparently you like being the little attention whore hell bent on trashing threads to fill that lonely jealous void in your pathetic anger filled life.
TRiAD MAY 15, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:
Precisely. Or, I can drive to Illinois. It's not that far. Either way be prepared to back up your words like a man, or STFU




...Weren't you the one calling me a bully? I don't think you know what that means...

But I'll tell you what...Threaten me again, and I will be taking your posts and PM that I've printed out to the authorities.
Internet threats (besides being totally stupid) are illegal and are actionable.
You WILL be arrested if you continue and force me to turn these in.
The discussion is LONG over, there is no more reason to post, and your threats will land you in jail.

Like you said; "you couldn't treat me this way in person, so what makes you think I'd let you treat me that way online?"

This is your only - and last - warning.

JazzMan MAY 15, 06:42 PM
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AP2k MAY 15, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:
So no your weak attempt to smear the IDF is nothing more then a real understanding of the situation. But given your use of the word neocon I highly doubt you care about understanding or honesty in the mater.



Really? I have a "real understanding" of the situation? Since you seem to be quite unfamiliar with warfare, I wil keep brevity in saying only that there is a difference between our air strikes against targets in civilian areas and IDF's attacking of civilian targets.

The distinction is made between the two weapons of choice:
Discriminatory, accurate weapon: JDAM


Weapon no more discriminant than chemical and biological weapons: Cluster munitions


There were also white phosphorous attacks on civilian areas as well: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777549.html The US also used whiskey-pete in Iraq and civilian casualties were found in both cases.

Hezbollah has nothing to do with it. Civilians are not Hezbollah operatives, so why in the hell are you defending IDF's cluster bombing of the innocent? Why don't you be a good example of "intellectual honesty" and first practice it before you lecture myself in it? Just because Hezbollah commits murder of the innocent does not mean it is suddenly fine and dandy for IDF to do so. People step on unexploded munitions all the time, just like mines in Bosnia and friends.

But I see that since you have to revert to ad hominem so soon you would have nothing but more ad hominem for the remainder of our discussion time.

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NEPTUNE MAY 15, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by JazzMan:

Don't forget Bush's good buddy Saddam Hussein, and too bad the youngsters here have done clean forgot about Daddy Bush and Reagan's selling missiles to the terrorists in Iran so that they could circumvent (treason) the law to send money to fund the Contra terrorists/rapists/murderers in south America.

No, this Obama smear is just another masturbation fest by the crackpot far-right nutwangers that have given the Republicans such a nasty, filthy reputation over the last few years.

JazzMan



And the younger people here have probably never even heard about W Bushes grandfather, and HW Bushes daddy, Prescott Bush.
A real American patriot, who should not be forgotten. Go ahead, Google him. I'll wait.

Speaking of traitors:



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How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

By Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington The Guardian, Saturday September 25 2004

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust victims against the Bush family, and the publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W.
More than 60 years after Prescott Bush came briefly under scrutiny at the time of a faraway war, his grandson is facing a different kind of scrutiny but one underpinned by the same perception that, for some people, war can be a profitable business.


Oh, its only those damn Jews causing trouble AGAIN.
Much, much more here, if anyone cares.

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Oreif MAY 16, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by NEPTUNE:

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Much, much more here, if anyone cares.




I just read the whole story in your link. Funny thing is it was written to spin the story the way they wanted it to be spun.
There are way too many assumptions and inaccurate facts.
If you use the logic that the story spins then you also need to prosecute Al Gore (then a senator) and Oliver North for the 9/11 attacks. Both of them are the ones responsible for bringing Osama Bin Laden to power during the Russian invasion of Afghanastan. If they did not support him against Russia, he would never have gained the power he now has and we would not have the same terrorist problems we have today.

While the Nazi Party/Third Reich are considered the "evil power" due to the parties actions, In the late 20's and early 30's the Nazi party was initially considered to be a good thing for Germany. The Treaty of Versailles basically sent Germany into a deep depression. Most Germans struggled to make ends meet. The Nazi party gained power by promising to bring the country out of depression. Once Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933, Many things changed for the positive initially. The problem was by the late 30's when Hitler's own racist views and ability to use propaganda as an effective weapon came to light, It was too late to stop it. The "monster" had grown and was still gaining momentum.

According to the story in the link, Prescott Bush was involved with the steel companies back in 1924. While the companies he was involved with did aid in the economic recovery of Germany and Hitler's rise to power, Do you really think that they knew Hitler was as corrupt and evil as history has proven? Once the companies were deeply involved, and the original German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen had fallen for Hitler's propaganda, Do you really think it was that easy for the U.S. investors and companies involved to drop them? They were heavily involved finacially. Hitler was very cleaver in hiding the fact he was building his war machines. The tiger tanks were built just across the German border in Russia, The U-boat sub pens were built into a cliff side and hidden from view. Per the treaty of Versailles, Germany could not build war machines. So many factories and businesses were camuflaged and run by folks like Thyssen who became mesmerised by Hitler's propoganda. Do you really think Thyssen told the U.S. investors and companies what they were using the steel for? Once it came to light what was going on, Do you really think the U.S. companies involved had a chance to cut and run before the U.S. government got involved?

Maybe they should go after France and Birtain, If they didn't put such an economic strain on Germany, the Nazi party would have never come to power as strong as they did. Actually, by the same tolken, They should go after Britain for being the other half of the cause for starting WWI. If they didn't start WWI, They would not have had to make a treaty and thus cause WWII.

If you read the story it just shows that Prescott Bush wasn't very smart and got hooked into the financial/political mess because of his greed. While it wasn't very smart when you look back on it, At that time the U.S. had our own depression going on and finacial greed was had by many companies seeking to stay afloat. How is what happen back then any different than the U.S. companies that invested in middle-east oil? (including the Bush family!) They basically caused the arab nations to gain money and power. Saudi families made huge amounts of money and gained power. As they say, "Power Corrupts" and the Bin Laden Family made billions.

You can spin facts anyway you want AFTER something has happened. But just because now we know what evil lurked inside Hitler, does not mean those involved knew it back then anymore then we knew Osama would one day turn against us.

What companies are folks investing in right now that 10-15 years from now could be involved in some political scandal or cause the deaths?
TRiAD MAY 16, 09:18 AM
Terrific post, Oreif! It's nice when someone bothers to learn all the facts, and look at things from an objective POV.

I'd give you a +, but apparently I already have, lol!

~M
AP2k MAY 16, 09:22 AM

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does not mean those involved knew it back then anymore then we knew Osama would one day turn against us.



And we had justification for giving billions to the Mujahideen why? Its not quite the same: one case has a private industrialist aiding (for arguement's sake, unwittingly) Hitler's rise to power, and the other case has the CIA aiding bin Laden's rise to power.