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84Bill
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SEP 13, 03:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Dumbass:
Well, since his blood flows through my veins I think I have a more personal insight into the man than most.
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More like his blood is polluted by your veins
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This is now.....
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"You arent free and you don't live in a free country.
Not only are you a slave but you are a bobble head nodding in total agreement with the powers that be who tell you how to think, how to speek how to act. You are bombarded by your masters bullcrap every waking moment of you existance. They control everything you do, no matter what you do and where you "choose" to do it. You cant even walk down the street anymore without official "papers" proving you are who you say you are... to be submitted upon "lawful" command.
Freedom has been revoked. It has been replaced by a contract, a "privilage" that you.. and me have signed that is subject to revocation on a whim so you have no choice but to go along with it. "
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Here is Jefferson's take:
"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws outright restrain him; every man in under the natural duty of contributing to the necessities of the society, and this is all the laws should enforce on him; and no man having a natural right to be the judge between himself and another, it is his natural duty to submit to the umpirage of an impartial third."!!!
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That was then.
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This is now...
| quote | Originally posted by Toddster:
Can you please stop quoting Jefferson |
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
I will quote WHOEVER I want.. This is a free country and you have the right to ignore me but YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHO I MAY OR MAY NOT QUOTE. You are NOT my master you god damn mother ****ing son of a ***** !
Am I making myself perfectly CLEAR!
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Here is Jefferson's take:
"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws outright restrain him; every man in under the natural duty of contributing to the necessities of the society, and this is all the laws should enforce on him; and no man having a natural right to be the judge between himself and another, it is his natural duty to submit to the umpirage of an impartial third."!!!
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That was then
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You are an assbag Retardster.
You violate my civil liberties in request that I remain silent then accuse me of an aggression against YOU in my rightful defence of them.
You are a pathetic little weanie, You are far far right of impartial.[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 09-13-2006).]
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Toddster
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SEP 13, 03:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
That was then |
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Oh I see, so what you are saying is that Jefferson would think totally opposite of what he thought back then and would think like YOU... if he was alive today.
yeah, that makes sense. 
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84Bill
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SEP 13, 03:51 PM
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No...
I'm saying that YOU are thinking the total opposite.
TJ's words have not change in 200 years. Yours have. You ignore the rights of others. Especially mine. "Shut up" is a demand that I be silent and is a violation of Amendment NUMBER 1!!!!
| quote | Originally posted by Clueless:
Oh I see, so what you are saying is that Jefferson would think totally opposite of what he thought back then and would think like YOU... if he was alive today.
yeah, that makes sense. |
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Toddster
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SEP 13, 04:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
No...
I'm saying that YOU are thinking the total opposite.
TJ's words have not change in 200 years. Yours have. You ignore the rights of others. Especially mine. "Shut up" is a demand that I be silent and is a violation of Amendment NUMBER 1!!!!
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Wrong again brain bone. It is the free exercise of MY right to free speech to tell you to shut up. If you don't like the message, tough **** . Change the channel...or as Jefferson might say:
"My opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful [is]... 'by restraining it to true facts and sound principle only.' Yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. It is a melancholy truth, that a suppression of the press could not more completely deprive the nation of its benefits than is done by its abandoned prostitution to falsehood." --Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 1807. ME 11:224
But you still haven't answered the question:
How do you reconcile your blabbering with Jefferson's position that you OWE a duty to your society to submit to the law.
In case you have forgotten I will repost the two messages again...and again if necessary:
| quote | Originally posted by Blabberboy:
"You arent free and you don't live in a free country.
Not only are you a slave but you are a bobble head nodding in total agreement with the powers that be who tell you how to think, how to speek how to act. You are bombarded by your masters bullcrap every waking moment of you existance. They control everything you do, no matter what you do and where you "choose" to do it. You cant even walk down the street anymore without official "papers" proving you are who you say you are... to be submitted upon "lawful" command.
Freedom has been revoked. It has been replaced by a contract, a "privilage" that you.. and me have signed that is subject to revocation on a whim so you have no choice but to go along with it. "
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Here is Jefferson's take:
| quote | Originally stated by a man of reason:
"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws outright restrain him; every man is under the natural duty of contributing to the necessities of the society, and this is all the laws should enforce on him; and no man having a natural right to be the judge between himself and another, it is his natural duty to submit to the umpirage of an impartial third."!!!
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[This message has been edited by Toddster (edited 09-13-2006).]
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fierobear
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SEP 13, 06:59 PM
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I feel like I'm a spectator watching two Jeffersons having a peeing contest.
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Which ever one of you can pee above this line, you win.[This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 09-13-2006).]
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fierobear
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SEP 13, 07:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
TJ's words have not change in 200 years. Yours have. You ignore the rights of others. Especially mine. "Shut up" is a demand that I be silent and is a violation of Amendment NUMBER 1!!!!
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The first amendment is to keep the [b]government[/i] from abridging your right to free speech. I'd be willing to bet that the people who wrote the bill of rights didn't intend to keep you from knocking your obnoxious neighbor's teeth out if he kept shooting off his mouth like Bill does.
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84Bill
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SEP 13, 11:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierobear:
The first amendment is to keep the government from abridging your right to free speech.
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Not just the government. All rights are equal. That means not even I can tell you what you can or can not say.
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I'd be willing to bet that the people who wrote the bill of rights didn't intend to keep you from knocking your obnoxious neighbor's teeth out if he kept shooting off his mouth like Bill does. |
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While that did happen many times.. and in certin states it still does, the rights of the individual are still supposed to be secure.
Evidentally you didn't read the dialogue between Formula88 and myself
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Consideration is granted to everyone equally. It's a given, I will vociferously demand it when I feel I'm not getting it.
I expect the same of you.. in fact I demand it of you.
I respect you as an individual, I respect your rights. However, I do not have to agree with you to show my respect for you.
I vociferously demand the same of you.
Either we stand united and enjoy the rewards or we fall divided and suffer the results. Like it or not, the ground we stand on will be common and level.... and we WILL share it equally.
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We do not have to agree in order to show respect for our differences. The "common ground" is the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I can not harm him, I can not take his papers or money or house, I can not silence him with a fist or a rock or even threaten the use of them in order to silence him or sway his opinion.
But that will ONLY WORK if we both understand and respect each others rights. We can argue for decades but we will stand on common ground and work out what needs to be worked out between us.
That is what the founders did when they drafted the Constitution.. For years the bickered, not one man was injured.. They practiced what they preached and put it in the Constitution.[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 09-14-2006).]
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jstricker
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SEP 14, 08:24 AM
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Oh, yes, Bill, you are SUCH a courageous Patriot.
You PM me telling me I'm a heckler. I respond with a brief PM to you. You send me back another page of diatribe (twice, for some reason) and then block my PM's.
What a hero you must be in your own mind. Does the truth hurt you that much that you can't even hear it?
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
We do not have to agree in order to show respect for our differences. The "common ground" is the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I can not harm him, I can not take his papers or money or house, I can not silence him with a fist or a rock or even threaten the use of them in order to silence him or sway his opinion.
But that will ONLY WORK if we both understand and respect each others rights. We can argue for decades but we will stand on common ground and work out what needs to be worked out between us.
That is what the founders did when they drafted the Constitution.. For years the bickered, not one man was injured.. They practiced what they preached and put it in the Constitution.
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fierobear
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SEP 14, 10:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
That is what the founders did when they drafted the Constitution.. For years the bickered, not one man was injured.. They practiced what they preached and put it in the Constitution.
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Amazing how he crows on about the Constitution, but considers G. Washington and our revolutionary war to be terrorism on par with the actions of Bin Laden. The horseshit pile doesn't get much taller than that.
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84Bill
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SEP 14, 01:43 PM
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It's a matter of perspective.
Much like Tarddster.. you lack it.
| quote | Originally posted by fierobear:
Amazing how he crows on about the Constitution, but considers G. Washington and our revolutionary war to be terrorism on par with the actions of Bin Laden. The horseshit pile doesn't get much taller than that.
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