Five against one. Fair fight? Perhaps not. (Page 9/26)
Fastback 86 JUN 01, 02:36 AM
Why is everyone so hung up on gender? Because it was a girl that died we should cry a river? A gang banger is a gang banger. I'd bet my Fiero that this thread would still be one page if it was one of the boys that had died.

[This message has been edited by Fastback 86 (edited 06-01-2006).]

DRA JUN 01, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by Fastback 86:

Why is everyone so hung up on gender? Because it was a girl that died we should cry a river? A gang banger is a gang banger. I'd bet my Fiero that this thread would still be one page if it was one of the boys that had died.




That depends on how short he was, or how young he was, or some other irrelevant detail or FACT. But I do tend to agree.
fierofool JUN 01, 09:18 AM
My first post was to show the media leanings against the military: Quote myself:

On the radio, they stated that the Ultra-Liberal Atlanta Journal-Constitution's story line was "Former Marine Kills Pregnant Robber" in an effort to build sympathy for the woman.
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To continue the liberal media mantra against the military, and expand on that post:

This morning, Good Morning America reports that US Marines shot and killed a pregnant woman when she refused to stop at a road block in Iraq.

In the Atlanta incident, the fact that the robbery victim was an Ex-Marine had absolutely nothing to do with what happened. In the Iraq story, Pregnant Woman had nothing to do with what happened. Both were used to paint the US Military in bad light. If they had known for a fact that the woman was pregnant and carrying a car bomb while coming at them at break-neck speed, should they have let her continue just because she was pregnant? HELL NO!!! Both women got what they deserved.

Now, on a similar vein, it's suspected that marines might have slaughtered up to 2 dozen civilians without cause. If it's found to be factual, they should get the same treatment as the 2 women got.
FIEROPHREK JUN 01, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by fierofool:
This morning, Good Morning America reports that US Marines shot and killed a pregnant woman when she refused to stop at a road block in Iraq.



Once again can you tell an Arab woman is preggers when she's driving a car at you? Nope and she got killed . I'm sure these checkpoints are commonplace in iraq today, so it's not like she didn't know what to do when she got to one. Yes i think the media feeds off of anything they can potray as negative that deals with the U.S. in Iraq. Where are the stories of the good being done? Or are our soldiers and Marines running amuck and shooting anything that moves?

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86GT3.4DOHC JUN 01, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


I'm all for the Marine protecting himself. However, it seems unfortunate to me that as a "civilized" society we can so easily shrug off the stabbing death of a pregnant teenage girl. It's an ugly event from any angle.



Okay, only read half the first page, lot of info here, but my take is.

She didnt even know (unless she was physic) that she was pregnant yet, how does this factor into his actions? That was only brought to light as a way to disgrace his actions and probably in some stupid retarded way to imply that the government was responsible for killing a baby.

I would have killed the lot of them given the oppurtunity, if I can fight back they better as hell back off because if someone comes at me with a gun, im taking down as many as I can with me. If you're still there in an aggresive presence, your going down, or im going to die trying. Sure in the appropriate situation, shoot them in the leg, try to detain people, but 5 people with a shotgun jump me in the middle of the street at night? Im stabbing for the jugular/corotid and shooting in the chest. I dont care who you are or who you kill, its justified. (barring unreasonable circumstances, like you kill all 4 guys and the girl is unarmed trying to slap you). Somehow I dont think civilization is missing anything loosing these criminals anyway, we've got enough of them as it is.
Patrick JUN 01, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:

I for one understood your point Patrick...




Oh well, I guess one is better than none.


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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:

... just didn't see a reason to jump into that particular flamefest, dumb ass comments have been flying in a bunch of threads and only so much stomping one can do in a day.




I know what you mean about "only so much stomping one can do in a day". And for all the time it takes, there's unfortunately very little return on the investment.
Patrick JUN 01, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Uaana:

Honestly I don't care about the girl, one way or another. Is that what you were looking for?




I wasn’t “looking for” anything, except for perhaps not being tried and convicted by a lynch mob.


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Originally posted by Patrick:

My message all along has been that it's ugly and distressing (to say the least) that we have teenage girls (pregnant or otherwise) dying in the streets.




I guess I must have been brought up on a different planet if no one else (except for Scott apparently) feels it’s disturbing that young kids are dying while being involved in armed robberies. For the upteenth time, that’s not a criticism of the Marine who was protecting himself.


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Originally posted by Uaana:

I will not see her as some kind of poor victim innocently led astray from the straight and narrow.




I don’t see anyone in this thread suggesting you should.
BN Boomer JUN 01, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
What the hell was that all about? How did “abortion rights” enter the discussion?



I don't know how you feel about abortion rights, but I find it incredibly hypocritical when someone supports the right of a woman to kill her unborn child and then makes an emotional plea when an unborn child is killed in an incident like this. Same with when a pregnant woman is murdered and charges are filed against the perp for killing her unborn child, too. It can't be said that a fetus is just a lump of cells and tissue when a woman wants an abortion but that that same fetus can have rights or be a victim in circumstances like this. For the record, I'm pro-choice, pro-death penalty, and pro-violent criminals being killed during the commision of their crimes even if it means their unborn children die along with them. Tough sh!t.
Patrick JUN 01, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Shyster:

But if it turns out that your "facts" are illusory, what do you expect? Martin was female. She was young. However, "[c]ontrary to earlier reports an autopsy showed that Martin was not pregnant when she was killed." (from your link).




How are my facts “illusory”?

First of all, it wasn’t “my link”. It was the same link that Formula88 posted earlier in the thread. Yes, it’s a little confusing because the news story was updated and changed from the original version. Don’t believe me? Then check the quotes on the first page of this thread by Formula88:


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Originally posted by Formula88:

From TFA: "Two of the robbers jumped from the car. When one of the robbers pointed a shotgun at him, the Autry kicked it out of his hands.

At that point two of the robbers jumped on the victim. During the struggle he stabbed both of them. One, a teenaged female who has been identified as Amy Martin, died of her wounds. Officials say Martin was pregnant. A second is in critical condition."




Hell, here’s the whole article. I googled and found it quoted in a news group:

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Midtown Rambo; Victim Fight Backs, Kills Robber

ATLANTA -- Five robbers picked the wrong victim in Midtown Atlanta last night and one of them paid with her life.

The victim, Thomas Autry, fought back; killing one robber and wounding another. Three other suspects are in jail.

Autry was walking to his girlfriend's home after getting off work as a waiter at Jocks and Jills.
The five suspects pulled up in a car and confronted the victim in the 500 block of Penn Street just before midnight.

Autry began running down the street yelling for help. Residents who heard him called 911. While he was running, Autry pulled a pocket knife from his backpack.

Two of the robbers jumped from the car. When one of the robbers pointed a shotgun at him, the Autry kicked it out of his hands.

At that point two of the robbers jumped on the victim. During the struggle he stabbed both of them. One, a teenaged female who has been identified as Amy Martin, died of her wounds. Officials say Martin was pregnant. A second is in critical condition.

Police arrived on the scene and with a description of the car; they quickly arrested the three other suspects.

Other suspects arrested were identified as Christopher Daniel, 19, of Atlanta; Kendall Barksdale, 18, of Atlanta; Christopher Hayes, 18, of Douglasville and a 16-year-old male juvenile. They will all be charged with aggravated assault and armed robbery.

Thomas Autry, who is a former U.S. Marine, will not be charged since police say he was acting in self defense. Officials say Autry is extremely remorseful.

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So how are my facts “illusory”? Did you click on the link and then watch the videos there. Even the girl’s mother is saying the girl was pregnant. Ya sure, I was supplying “illusory” facts.


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Originally posted by Shyster:

On the other hand, your second post was deliberately inflammatory, and disregarded "fact": "Sorry if it wrecks the illusion of some 6'5" 350lb muscle-bound guy being handed his ass," you said. Nowhere in any story are there any reports of a real, or illusory, "6'5" 350lb muscle-bound guy." What "illusion" were you trying to torpedo?




Both of my first two posts in this thread were in response to posts by DtheC. Read them over. By the way, also read the heading of the article I posted above. Notice the reference to “Rambo”? Combine it all and it isn’t difficult to visualize the “illusion” of the character I described. Of course it wasn’t based on any “story” or “report” regarding this incident. My gawd, you’re reaching for straws here, you really are.


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Originally posted by Shyster:

Fact: Very, very close to ½ of humanity is below-average.




Below average what? And you’re being critical of my facts? That’s hilarious!

Shyster, I’m beginning to wonder about your motivations here. In This thread you came to the defense of a forum member who is a known troll, a sympathizer of war criminals. Even when I pointed out to you what a dumbass he was/is, you continued to pursue your line of reasoning. So what’s your game here, are you trying to live up to your user name?
Patrick JUN 01, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by BN Boomer:

I don't know how you feel about abortion rights, but I find it incredibly hypocritical when someone supports the right of a woman to kill her unborn child and then makes an emotional plea when an unborn child is killed in an incident like this. Same with when a pregnant woman is murdered and charges are filed against the perp for killing her unborn child, too. It can't be said that a fetus is just a lump of cells and tissue when a woman wants an abortion but that that same fetus can have rights or be a victim in circumstances like this. For the record, I'm pro-choice, pro-death penalty, and pro-violent criminals being killed during the commision of their crimes even if it means their unborn children die along with them. Tough sh!t.




Who the hell here made an “emotional plea” for any “unborn child” ???

Boomer, after reading your three posts directed to me in this thread, I have something to say to you that I’ve never said to anyone ever in this or any other forum - Go take a f*cking hike...

My apologies to everyone else reading this post, but I’ve tried as long as I could to remain civil with complete assh*les like BN Boomer who obviously lack the reading skills or comprehension to intelligently participate in a public forum.