| quote | | Originally posted by Formula88: So, Bill, why is it that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll, a crybaby, or a cheerleader?
Provoked or not, you're the one slinging insults and going off on anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with you.
It's not just about your right to express yourself. We all have that right, but you don't seem to be able to have a discussion with someone unless everyone thinks you're right. If they don't, you blow a gasket and rant and rave.
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Like I have said before, my "OPINION" is always right at the time of my making one. If someone says "yo Bill here are the facts, you are wrong" then I'm wrong and I say so. When someone just says "Yo Bill, I "think" you are wrong"  Well Gee... I think not. Insults really don't bother me all that much unless Im tired. You can call me any name in the book and for the most part I wont care, just as long as "whats good for the goose is good for the gander". That's where alot of contention arises from, people can dish it out but cry like babies when it's time to take it.
| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
You weren't always like this. I remember some great discussions we've had in the past. I don't want to call them arguments because they weren't angry or vengeful, just 2 people sharing points of view - sometimes similar and sometimes different.
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Sure I was. Don't you remember the Columbia thread where I BLASTED NASA? Even you thought I was being a butthole but you changed your tune when you got to understanding what I was saying.. Right or wrong? In fact you had my email blocked from an earlier altercation we had. In that same thread, did I get all bent the hell out of shape when that troll started to egg me on? Nope, not in the least. I'm still that way with the vast majority but there are a few I can name that I have 0 tolorence for.
| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
That seems to have changed as of late. Now either every single person on the forum that you think is a cheerleader has changed, or you have. Use your logical mind and ask yourself which is more likely.
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What about their attitudes toward me? Do you think that may possible have anything to do with it?
Could it be they don't like me because.... I hate Duhbya, I hate people that put XXXXX heritage before they say "American", I hate the oppressive government, I hate the fact that 9/11 happend beacuse of our general lack of compassion and understanding of a people that 90% of Americans know NOTHING about or why they are pissed off at us. I hate the fact that the death and destruction of 9/11 herolded the brning desire for MORE death and destruction. I hate it when people CLAIM that Bill Clinton was the best thing since sliced bread because he reduced the deficit by witholding CRITICAL federal funds, I hate that my father can't fly withing 35 miles when Duhbya is stumping for votes in the area, I hate that a PUBLIC USE AIRPORT has a fence around it and requires all citizens who have their private property on it to PAY 50 bucks a year for an access badge, I hate the patriot act, I hate civil rights violations by our government, I hate it when people thing that there is no problem because their lives are just peachy keen so that means everyone is just peachy keen.
| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
I know you're fed up with a lot. You have every right to be. But is that reason enough to toss civility out the window? Even if your rage is righteous in it's purpose, wouldn't it be better used directed at the source of your rage? Cliff isn't the cause of it. fierobear isn't, either. I'd wager no one on this forum is at the root of why you're so upset and angry these days. So why lash out on the people here?
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Nah, Cliff aint the source of the problem but he does allow it to happen, what I mean is take my BBT's example above.. Did he ever say a word to BBT's in open forum? Nope, every thing is just A OK in Cliff land. But when bill makes an elaboration on a tiopic that the "mob" does not agree with... whell now... there is a whole whopty do going down.... 84Bill is stirring up some poopie "again" :rollseyes: Wh wh who has the mara J waunna now... ummkay But other than that the guy is a freaking saint! Hands down, no questions asked... In fact I was thinking of switching him from neutral to positive. Another problem I have is that I can't hold a grudge for very long. However, there are acceptions to that.
| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
I don't know. I'm just trying to make sense of it and maybe there isn't any. From my point of view, you've changed from a rational free thinker whose strong in his convictions to a hotheaded reactionary eager to fight for the cause - any cause. It's almost like you have a martyr complex. It doesn't look like you usually start the flames, but as soon as anyone lights a match, you're there to throw gasoline on it.
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LOL Keep it up because you are n the right track but it's more like defensive rather than offensive, though I can be fairly offensive while maintaining a defensive posture until left alone. Mind you an opinion is not an attack, it's just an opinion. Skip it it if you want to turn it personal slam fest, participatet if you have one on the topic. Not much to ask.
| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
If I've offended you with this post, I'm sorry. But I hope you'll think about it when cooler heads prevail. I'm not trying to attack you. I'm only trying to offer some perspective.
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Nah, even though you got pissed off an went on a tyrade when I said I would not share a foxhole with a lebanise soldier, I still have alot of respect for you. There are alot more people I respect than don't. One thing does seperate you from alot of the others who have addressed me today is the fact that you apologized for something you have not done. Thanks, everything is just fine and you did not offend me. I don't know what you are thinking but it is my honest opinion that you are indeed doing so.  Ya see I'm not all that hard to get along with.
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