The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart (Page 87/110)
Rickady88GT NOV 22, 09:15 PM
Trespassing is not a capital crime.
rinselberg NOV 22, 09:40 PM

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An Indiana man charged with carrying a loaded firearm to the Capitol on Jan. 6 told investigators that if he had found Speaker Nancy Pelosi, “you’d be here for another reason,” according to court documents posted over the weekend.

Mark Mazza, 56, is the latest of about half a dozen Jan. 6 defendants charged with bringing a gun to the Capitol. In this case, Mazza allegedly carried a Taurus revolver known as “The Judge,” which is capable of firing shotgun shells — two of which were in the chamber, along with three hollow-point bullets. A Capitol Police sergeant obtained the weapon after allegedly fending off an assault from Mazza.

According to the charging documents in the case, two Capitol Police investigators visited Mazza at his home in Shelbyville, Ind., on March 29, and he admitted attending the Jan. 6 “Stop the Steal” rally and later marched with the crowd to the Capitol. Camera footage shows Mazza present during the most intense hand-to-hand violence of the day in the Capitol’s lower West terrace tunnel. . . .

Though reports of rioters charged with carrying firearms have been limited, the number has been steadily climbing. A former DEA agent brandished his service weapon outside the Capitol. A Texas man was charged with bringing a handgun as well. Leaders of the Oath Keepers charged with conspiring to prevent Congress from certifying the 2020 election aren’t facing firearms charges, but prosecutors have pieced together evidence suggesting they kept a stockpile of weapons at a hotel in nearby Arlington, Va.

The mounting evidence has undercut claims by former President Donald Trump and his allies that the mob attacking the Capitol was unarmed. In addition to the growing number of firearms authorities suspect were carried onto Capitol grounds, rioters brought knives, axes, batons, tasers, bats, poles and even a crutch and hockey stick. Others stole police shields and used metal barricades and furniture as makeshift weapons. . . .

Mazza is facing charges of obstructing Congress and the FBI investigation of the Jan. 6 attack, as well as carrying a firearm on Capitol grounds and obstructing police, as well as a D.C. code violation for bringing an unlicensed firearm into the city. . . .


That's a slimmed down version of this:


Here's the link to the complete online report:
https://www.politico.com/ne...-capitol-riot-523178

Here's the weapon that was confiscated from this defendant at the Capitol Building--confiscated by a Capitol Police officer, after the defendant got into a physical altercation with that officer:

"Taurus Judge: A Revolver That Can Fire Shotgun Shells And .45 Colt"
https://www.19fortyfive.com...-shells-and-45-colt/

I didn't get that from this report in Politico. I got it from another source, who opined that this Taurus "Judge" revolver defeats the purpose of the National Firearms Act's prohibition of "sawed-off shotguns." But that's just a sidebar in this context, and not something I'm jumping completely onboard with.




You had to know that was coming!
Jake_Dragon NOV 22, 10:27 PM
Taurus Judge
I've looked at these before. The Shotgun shell is a good idea as it has limited penetration and would not go through a wall and hurt the kids next door.
I wouldn't want to be shot with one but between the .410 bore shot shells and the .45 Colt cartridge at 20 feet I would rather get shot at with the shotgun shell.


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The .410 bore is one of the smallest caliber of shotgun shell commonly available A .410 bore shotgun loaded with shot shells is well suited for small game

But it can also fire a slug that is capable of taking down larger game.

randye NOV 22, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


Here's the weapon that was confiscated from this defendant at the Capitol Building--confiscated by a Capitol Police officer








Has it ever ONCE occurred to you that the stupid things that you think and believe are due to the stupid sources and people that you get your stupid opinions, propaganda and ideas from?

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BIDEN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TESTIFIES TO CONGRESS:

"NO GUNS AT CAPITOL ON JAN 6"


@ 4:26 IN THE VIDEO

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Rickady88GT NOV 22, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That's a slimmed down version of this:


Here's the link to the complete online report:
https://www.politico.com/ne...-capitol-riot-523178

Here's the weapon that was confiscated from this defendant at the Capitol Building--confiscated by a Capitol Police officer, after the defendant got into a physical altercation with that officer:

"Taurus Judge: A Revolver That Can Fire Shotgun Shells And .45 Colt"
https://www.19fortyfive.com...-shells-and-45-colt/

I didn't get that from this report in Politico. I got it from another source, who opined that this Taurus "Judge" revolver defeats the purpose of the National Firearms Act's prohibition of "sawed-off shotguns." But that's just a sidebar in this context, and not something I'm jumping completely onboard with.




You had to know that was coming!



I have always wanted a Judge. I think it is a near ideal home defense gun. The 410 is practically worthless and out of range outside of the average household hallway. But for an anti-carjacking gun it is perfect. The judge has rifling in the barrel like a typical hand gun so shot pellet cluster spin at such a high RPM that they scatter in a VERY short distance and are rendered harmless in short distances. The Judge IS NOT a shotgun, a shotgun has a smooth boar barrel so it does not spin the shot pellets. The smooth boar keeps a tight pellet pattern, the EXACT opposite of the Judge. The Judge has a riffing for the .45 slug. The spinning stabilizes the slug for accuracy. The 410 shot shells barley kill snakes on hiking trails, infact that is what they are for, they are referred to as snake guns. 410 shotgun shells are dangerous BUT they are not man killers. The 410 shot shells have a VERY low level of "respect" in the gun world because they have such low power and range even in a proper shotgun. The reason I say the Judge is an ideal home defense gun is because of its low power and EXTREMELY short range. The shot shells cannot shoot through walls and harm your family who may be on the other side. The VAST MAJORITY of self defense shootings happen at very short range and that fits the Judge fine.

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randye NOV 23, 12:11 AM
randye DEC 01, 07:10 PM
Apologies for the late weekly posting of the:



As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEDITION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2384) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today only 625 individuals], (2.0 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 35 individuals, (5.6 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 4 individuals, (0.6 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".

As of today only 25 individuals, (4.0 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges.

As of today only 25 individuals, (<0.08 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.


As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.

As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

As of today the FBI has officially determined that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION and that THERE WAS NO LARGE ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY BY ANY "RIGHT WING" GROUPS and that NEITHER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR ANY OF HIS ASSOCIATES OR ADVISORS WERE INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING OF A RIOT OR VIOLENCE arising from the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of the January 6, 2021 rally in DC.

As of today the Leftist Congress is trying to soak the American taxpayers for HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "damages" after telling the DOJ and the federal courts that the capitol building sustained $1.5 million in damages.

As of today 6 Capitol police officers are facing disciplinary action for their actions related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

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rinselberg DEC 04, 11:39 AM
Keywords and phrases: Metadata, White House Communications Agency, Fifth Amendment


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No person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself . . .

The Fifth Amendment

These developments are closely related to the Original Topic.

Two of the potential witnesses for the January 6 "Inquisition" have announced their intention to invoke their Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination.

"Counsel for House panel indicates WH [White House] helped Jeff Clark draft incriminating letter to Ga. [Georgia election] officials"
Charles Jay, in the Daily Kos; December 3, 2021.
https://www.dailykos.com/st...to-send-Ga-officials

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The chief investigative counsel for the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack wants to ask Jeffrey Clark about White House involvement in the drafting of an incriminating letter that the former Trump DOJ official wanted to send to Georgia officials aimed at overturning the state’s presidential election results. . . .

The counsel then dropped this bombshell [sic]: “I also wanted to ask him [Jeffrey Clark] about metadata in that draft letter that indicates some involvement with the White House Communications Agency and the drafting or preparation of that letter.”

That indicates that the House committee has evidence indicating that Clark was not just acting on his own in drafting the letter, but was coordinating with officials at the White House in its preparation.


Jeffrey Clark is alleged to have played a key role in former President Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election in his favor, instead of Joe Biden's, when Clark was an attorney in the U.S. Department of Justice.

Another lawyer, John Eastman, has also said that he intends to plead the Fifth Amendment in response to a subpoena from the committee. Eastman wrote a memo with the dubious [sic] claim that the serving Vice President [Mike Pence] had constitutional authority to overturn the 2020 election. Unlike Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman was not part of the federal government or part of any state government.

There's an "Art Deco" version of this message available for viewing on this other forum thread:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/.../HTML/127065.html#p6

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randye DEC 05, 01:29 AM
JAN. 6 COMMITTEE REMOVES MASK REVEALING THEMSELVES AS FULL COMMUNIST SOVIET STYLE STAR CHAMBER



https://www.realclearpoliti...d_parcel_guilty.html

"Rep. Bennie Thompson, chair of the January 6th Committee, told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Wednesday what it means that former Trump DOJ official Jeffery Clark says he plans to invoke the Fifth Amendment when he testifies.

"If he is saying, 'I'll come but I'll plead the Fifth,' in some instances that says you are part and parcel guilty to what occurred,"


So much for our foundational principles of presumption of innocence and not being forced to testify against yourself.....

Leftists really do hate that damn US CONSTITUTION getting in the way of their kangaroo court / propaganda festival.

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Rickady88GT DEC 06, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

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So, you are saying that trespassing is not a capital crime and that murder charges should be levied.