Trump Protestors Storm Capitol; Armed Standoff at House Floor (Page 8/21)
Synthesis JAN 06, 10:45 PM
I'll read the rest of your post tomorrow, but needed to respond to your comment about "White Supremacy"... It isn't an organization. It is an ideology. That's the difference between BLM and White Supremacy... BLM is an organization seeking to draw attention to the inequality that persons of color are subjected to every day. White Supremacy is an ideology that says Whites are better than persons of color, and persons of color do not deserve to be equals. They are "less than".

blackrams JAN 06, 10:45 PM
Hopefully the next administration will recognize that having the votes to get your way doesn’t necessarily mean you have the nation’s (or in this case half of the nation) support.

Decisions have consequences. The Harris/Biden administration should understand that this could be like one of those California wildfires and get out of control if not addressed to the nation as a whole.

Rams.
maryjane JAN 06, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bradley Jay:


Go ahead and convince yourselves that things are peachy. Did you just catch what Graham said on the floor? Or the resounding rejection of reviewing Arizona's electoral vote that just occurred? We don't have to decide history, it's already plain as DAY to some of us that the sky is dark and I do not say that with any smug impression. It is reprehensible that we hit this point. You are Americans and you have a choice to decide what side of the sand you're standing on, but be cognizant of this while you continue to watch how things play out.

Those cozy with this will forever be damned to the throes of American history. We will never be the same. That is terribly sad.


"We' have 'never been the same' since the day we as a nation was formed.
The thing that has gotten so many upset today, is that today's events happend in 'their' lifetime and was able to penetrate the little circles of insulation so many modern Americans have drawn around themselves. "It can't happen here!" How incrediby naïve. ..a nation born of fire and violence, showing willingness and ability to do so any time and anywhere in the world and we think "It can't happen here..by us"?
It won't... this time, but it will come one day, just as it has to every nation, people, and government thru out history.


Look at the world, as it is, and not as you are.
maryjane JAN 06, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

The Harris/Biden administration should understand that this could be like one of those California wildfires and get out of control if not addressed to the nation as a whole.

Rams.



Far too early in the natural/historical process for that to be a real possibility or issue.

Bradley Jay JAN 06, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

"We' have 'never been the same' since the day we as a nation was formed.
The thing that has gotten so many upset today, is that today's events happend in 'their' lifetime and was able to penetrate the little circles of insulation so many modern Americans have drawn around themselves. "It can't happen here!" How incrediby naïve. ..a nation born of fire and violence, showing willingness and ability to do so any time and anywhere in the world and we think "It can't happen here..by us"?
It won't... this time, but it will come one day, just as it has to every nation, people, and government thru out history.


Look at the world, as it is, and not as you are.



Yeah, you hit the nail on the head in regards to naivety. Be aware of what you’re comfortable with happening right now. Your prerogative, of course.

However, I’d like to get one thing straight. I’m not mad for the sake of this happening to ME; I am not mad for MY sake. My social circle circle of influence? What? This has nothing to do with me. What happened today has never happened in our HISTORY, let along our lifetime. That also being said,
I would agree with you if you wanted to throw a stone over towards the Civil War, it’s within skipping distance.

100% the reason why I called out mental gymnastics earlier. I am not invested in this for the sake of my benefit, or virtue signaling, or for any reason other than the blight this will leave on our nation.

You either understand how this will look, or you don’t. I’m sad that it has to even be a consideration.

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sourmash JAN 06, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Synthesis:

I'll read the rest of your post tomorrow, but needed to respond to your comment about "White Supremacy"... It isn't an organization. It is an ideology. That's the difference between BLM and White Supremacy... BLM is an organization seeking to draw attention to the inequality that persons of color are subjected to every day. White Supremacy is an ideology that says Whites are better than persons of color, and persons of color do not deserve to be equals. They are "less than".


White Supremacy is an ideology. But I find not a group at all so they can't be contained into what you claimed. At least not from what the left says about them.
Antifa is a group with specific objectives.


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Originally posted by Synthesis:
Let's take your statement here and apply it to BLM... Antifa is not a real organization,



You haven't posted a quote where I said Antifa is an organization. If you want to make a point that they aren't that's good with me. I wouldn't know if they're a registered entity in the USA or not. They probably aren't allowed to be in Europe where they would choose to be, having been around for decades there.

But IDing as something because you ID as it is a cause du jour (sp) so they self ID as an entity. Are you disputing that BLM and Antifa didn't commit violence all Summer because Antifa isn't a corporate entity?

I've read what so-called White Supremacists write online. Anybody can. You can listen to their broadcasts in archived format or live 6 days per week. How come the people called WS by the media say people of color have a higher IQ than Whites? Because they really do say that. Aren't far East Asians POC? Why would White people, former officers in the KKK, say their people don't have a highest IQ as a group? I find it surprising. They also say that Blacks have some aspects superior to them.

A small minority say POC are 'less than' as people. Most say POC have a 'less than' culture, which isn't a personal attack. It's just not their native culture they're comfortable with. So what?
Chinese say the same thing about Blacks and Whites. They don't want to be around them given the choice. Indians say the same thing. Mexicans, same.
Which racial group in any nation says they want to be around a different group of people? No group says that, because they prefer their own.

WS say they can do what they need on their own without others and the can do it best (the way they perceive it to be best, even if it's a little lesser than the highest). That they don't want to be forced to be around POC and that even in their own movement they meet the worst and best people ever, talking about fellow Whites. That they have a rich culture to be proud of and want to preserve it.
sourmash JAN 06, 11:48 PM
Never happened here, huh?

Huey Long, Senator shot in Congress.
Battle of Athens. Actual armed conflict and multiple shots fired, people shot in anger on a State House because of election fraud.
Remember the private plane suicide attack on the Clinton White House?
Steve Scaleese(sp) shot by a leftist whacko?
Rand Paul attacked on his own front lawn while mowing. Also roughed up by BLM and Antifa while leaving the White House.
Gabby Giffords shot in the head.

That's just what comes to mind in a few minutes of thought.

BLM was trying to scale the fence of the White House, attacking police just a few months ago. It wreaks of hypocrisy.

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maryjane JAN 06, 11:54 PM
I'm neither comfortable nor uncomfortable with today's events. I do however understand them because I expected this to happen since history has shown it has happened everywhere else in the world and we are no exception to the rest of mankind.

"When" or what would be the impetus for it, I was in the dark about, but honestly, today is really just a little pebble in the road. 245 years into this 'democracy' experiment is a very very short time in which to base anything on.
The pharaohs ruled Egypt for 2500 years.
Czarist Russia lived for 400 years.
Dynastic China survived for over 4000 years.
Native Americans 'ran' this continent for well over 10,000 years before the white man ever set sail West.
Before the white man set the Semioles off on their trail of tears, the Seminoles with their own kind of govt culture had ruled Fla for 12 millennia.
They have only known "us" and "our" democracy for about 3% of their entire existence.

We 'contemporary Americans' are but babes in arms in the real scheme of things.. We really shouldn't take ourselves so seriously.

At some point, it will get much much worse. Probably not in my lifetime and maybe not even in yours, but it's coming. It always has, it always does, it always will.
Don't be so surprised, when it just happens to occur in 'your' lifetime.
Could be worse. We could have all been born a stegosaurus a few years before the asteroid hit.

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Bradley Jay JAN 07, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Never happened here, huh?

Huey Long, Senator shot in Congress.
Battle of Athens. Actual armed conflict and multiple shots fired, people shot in anger on a State House because of election fraud.
Remember the private plane suicide attack on the Clinton White House?
Steve Scaleese(sp) shot by a leftist whacko?
Rand Paul attacked on his own front lawn while mowing. Also roughed up by BLM and Antifa while leaving the White House.
Gabby Giffords shot in the head.

That's just what comes to mind in a few minutes of thought.

BLM was trying to scale the fence of the White House, attaching police a few months ago.





Your comparisons are neither equivalent nor coherent. You referred to these people as “patriots”. This is the Capitol building. And a “patriot” as you identify for them died. In exchange for violating a significant symbol of American democracy you have lost support for this ideal in government, and gained... nothing substantial. That’s putting it lightly.

However, based on your previous word vomit above regarding race it is hard to imagine that I am talking to anyone other than a sick individual. I am no longer going to grab your low-hanging fruit.
Blacktree JAN 07, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Synthesis: But compared to the other option, it was vote Biden or don't vote at all. And the latter would have doomed us to four+ more years of authoritarian wannabe.


Ironically, we're getting an authoritarian wannabe, anyway.