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E.Furgal FEB 23, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:

Jscott, you are a good man. For my part, I apologize for blind-siding you with my comment. I should have PM'ed you first.

Dobey, I'll be PM'ing Cliff to get his opinion whether he believes there is a place on this forum for threads designed specifically to single out other people's cars for the purpose of posting derogatory comments. If he believes, like you appear to, that it's fine, then I no longer have an interest participating in this forum. It's a principle that I cannot easily let go of. I am tired of fighting for what I believe to be common decency among members. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when that line has been crossed no matter how you spin it.



Kinda, confused, one member only states he thinks the vehicle looks ugly, Yet you post


" The kit has lots of potential... I can see how it could be a really nice car, albeit without any roof to speak of. I don't know if it's the white paint that makes the panel gaps stick out like sore thumbs or whether the doors and hatches aren't fully closed, but the gaps and panel alignment left a lot to be desired in my opinion. I don't think I'd ever buy a convertible Fiero without lots of documentation on how it was done."

first, a little slash that it has no roof, then pointing out panel gaps, and questioning the build in general with the " I don't think................................"
just because you preamble the post with "the kit has potential" doesn't hide the picking the darn thing apart.. one guy just says he doesn't like the look of it,, and you respond, yet your post picks the car apart, AT LENGTH...... you also seem to have no issue with everyone else that blasted the engine power claims, WHY!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the car, I think it looks great, someone put a lot of time into it, much sweat,love,time, into it.. so what if it isn't a 100 points show car..
Archie FEB 23, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by exoticse:

Guys really ? Troy race bait !? I have seen a lot of the ot topics he has posted in and he is always responding to some racial onslaught already thrown down. A lot of the topics are just down right stupid and really have no place on a car forum. I rarely respond to those topics because it is usually the same tired half dozen or so guys popping off about black this and black that. The comments usually reach a point that demands a response so i can see his reasoning. Calling that race baiting is like blaming a person for retaliating after you spit in their face.



Exactly !!!!!!!!

Hard to believe, in this day & age, people can spout hate without thinking what it would be like to be on the other side.

Archie
rinselberg FEB 23, 04:49 AM
I am a Fiero owner, but I seldom go into any of the Tech sections to post or read. Sometimes, but not very often.

I love O/T.

Face-to-face, I am rather a thin-skinned (sensitive) person, but I have developed a very thick-skinned attitude about O/T. Maybe it is wholly or partly because of the fact that I have never met even one of the regular O/T posters face-to-face, and given my long habit of never going anywhere outside of a day's drive there and back, have no likely prospect of doing so.

I think O/T is probably one of the most interesting free-ranging discussion forums anywhere on the 'Net. So I hope it doesn't go away. If Cliff decided to host it on a different web domain, I guess that would not be an immediate disappointment for me, although I wonder if that would soon or eventually lead to O/T's demise or decline in activity and interest of the discussions. Having become separated from the "mother ship"..?

If members are dragging their O/T animosities into the Tech and other sections, I hope that it would be resolved on an instance-by-instance basis, instead of by eliminating O/T.
Bloozberry FEB 23, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:
I'll be PM'ing Cliff to get his opinion whether he believes there is a place on this forum for threads designed specifically to single out other people's cars for the purpose of posting derogatory comments. If he believes, like you appear to, that it's fine, then I no longer have an interest participating in this forum.



Well, as promised, I asked Cliff Pennock to rule on the permissibility of threads that focus on a third party's car either for the sole purpose of ridiculing it, or its owner, or threads that degenerate into the same.

He has apparently reserved the right not to make such a decision since he stopped responding to my PM's. That doesn't sit well with me. My frustration with this website isn't limited to this issue. This is only the straw that broke the camel's back. The false, defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, and threatening nature of threads and posts permitted in Totally Off-Topic reflect one of two things or both: the administrator's unwillingness or indifference to enforce his own terms of use. The reasons don't matter much to me.

A forum where blatant racism, hatred, and abusive content aren't actively moderated is like a garden overtaken by bad weeds where the gardener prefers the look of any plant over just having good crops. So my only option is to uproot myself. I wish the many friends I've made on this site over the years good luck and happy motoring. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do not PM me expecting a response.

[This message has been edited by Bloozberry (edited 02-23-2015).]

dobey FEB 23, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:
The false, defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, and threatening nature of threads and posts permitted in Totally Off-Topic reflect one of two things or both: the administrator's unwillingness or indifference to enforce his own terms of use. The reasons don't matter much to me.

A forum where blatant racism, hatred, and abusive content aren't actively moderated is like a garden overtaken by bad weeds where the gardener prefers the look of any plant over just having good crops. So my only option is to uproot myself. I wish the many friends I've made on this site over the years good luck and happy motoring. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do not PM me expecting a response.



Ironically, the issue of TO/T, and poor moderation of the site was brought up in another recent thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/094991.html

It started off with jscott bringing up the issue of lack of activity in the Fiero-related part of the site, and suggesting that perhaps some of the other forums could be replaced or merged into others as a way to help increase perceived activity. I then brought up some other small issues that could help, including the issue of moderation. Of course, speaking about that is blasphemy here, as you and a few others immediately pointed out, suggesting that if I don't like the way the site is run, I should instead just go create my own forum and run it the way I like. I guess I should say good luck with running your own forum then, since these are the exact reasons it was suggested one should create their own forum if they don't like the way this one is run.
E.Furgal FEB 23, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:


Well, as promised, I asked Cliff Pennock to rule on the permissibility of threads that focus on a third party's car either for the sole purpose of ridiculing it, or its owner, or threads that degenerate into the same.

He has apparently reserved the right not to make such a decision since he stopped responding to my PM's. That doesn't sit well with me. My frustration with this website isn't limited to this issue. This is only the straw that broke the camel's back. The false, defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, and threatening nature of threads and posts permitted in Totally Off-Topic reflect one of two things or both: the administrator's unwillingness or indifference to enforce his own terms of use. The reasons don't matter much to me.

A forum where blatant racism, hatred, and abusive content aren't actively moderated is like a garden overtaken by bad weeds where the gardener prefers the look of any plant over just having good crops. So my only option is to uproot myself. I wish the many friends I've made on this site over the years good luck and happy motoring. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do not PM me expecting a response.




If you only knew what "totally O/T "means you'd not be getting your panties in a bunch..
I also noticed you have nothing to say about YOUR picking on the vehicle in this thread that you are all bent about..
Cliff didn't p.m. you and bow at your feet, so you're going to pack up.. WHO YOU CALLING WEEDS AGAIN.. you sound like a child that when he doesn't get their way runs off with the ball..

You want to know why the forum has slowed.. because many of the people into the cars have moved on.. others get sick of the "I've been here since, so don't question me, " of some members..
The forum is for people that own/like or might one day own a Fiero.. or did at one time,, the O/T part is for conversing on stuff not Fiero..
those that don't like a thread or the O/T as a whole.. don't have to click ,and go over there if they don't want to.. same thing with a thread over there if you don't like it's subject or comments on it, you can CHOOSE not to read it, no one has a gun to your head..
Even if I don't agree with someone I'd not wish them to leave.. but that is your choice, may you live long and prosper no matter what your choice is..

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Old cars don't leak. That's horsepower sweat!

Tony Kania FEB 23, 09:59 AM
So, the "click" has spoken? Several of you fine folks really stick together. Funny how a few kiddos on a car forum get so attached to each other that they cannot see anything but "We are right". Well, Troy had no issue posting in a racial thread, and neither did I. If racism is directed at me, I will easily blow back.

Go find where I have been racist. I will wait right here patiently...

Toughen up ladies. Your skirt is getting in the way. I can see why members leave. A lot of the threads where they do, your "click" is involved. This is NOT your forum.

[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 02-23-2015).]

Lambo nut FEB 23, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by E.Furgal:


If you only knew what "totally O/T "means you'd not be getting your panties in a bunch..
I also noticed you have nothing to say about YOUR picking on the vehicle in this thread that you are all bent about..
Cliff didn't p.m. you and bow at your feet, so you're going to pack up.. WHO YOU CALLING WEEDS AGAIN.. you sound like a child that when he doesn't get their way runs off with the ball..

You want to know why the forum has slowed.. because many of the people into the cars have moved on.. others get sick of the "I've been here since, so don't question me, " of some members..
The forum is for people that own/like or might one day own a Fiero.. or did at one time,, the O/T part is for conversing on stuff not Fiero..
those that don't like a thread or the O/T as a whole.. don't have to click ,and go over there if they don't want to.. same thing with a thread over there if you don't like it's subject or comments on it, you can CHOOSE not to read it, no one has a gun to your head..
Even if I don't agree with someone I'd not wish them to leave.. but that is your choice, may you live long and prosper no matter what your choice is..




I'm sure it's dicks like you is one of the reasons for him leaving.

Kevin
dratts FEB 23, 10:17 AM
Really sorry to hear that blooze will be leaving. I always had much admiration for the meticulousness of his builds even though some of it went way over my head. Especially the suspension geometry. I could never match his skills but I always enjoyed seeing what he accomplished. I agree with him completely about the rude over the top bashing of other peoples cars. If anyone ever had a position to criticize others work it was him because few could measure up to his work but I don't recall him ever getting mean about some ones work because it didn't measure up to his standards. In fact he was complimentary once about my car which is in no way near the class of his work. I can't help but feel the over the top criticism is a sign of an inferiority complex. Constructive criticism is a welcome thing. Name calling whether it's directed at a person or a car is just uncalled for.
Lambo nut FEB 23, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by dratts:

Really sorry to hear that blooze will be leaving. I always had much admiration for the meticulousness of his builds even though some of it went way over my head. Especially the suspension geometry. I could never match his skills but I always enjoyed seeing what he accomplished. I agree with him completely about the rude over the top bashing of other peoples cars. If anyone ever had a position to criticize others work it was him because few could measure up to his work but I don't recall him ever getting mean about some ones work because it didn't measure up to his standards. In fact he was complimentary once about my car which is in no way near the class of his work. I can't help but feel the over the top criticism is a sign of an inferiority complex. Constructive criticism is a welcome thing. Name calling whether it's directed at a person or a car is just uncalled for.



He was one of the few, and I mean VERY FEW good ones left.

Kevin