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CoryFiero
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DEC 14, 04:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by lurker:
i'm not trying to argue with you. but i'm not entirely comfortable with letting just anyone in schools with guns, either. the concealed carry option might have merit if there's some extra scrutiny, as opposed to just anyone who passes NICS at wal-mart. |
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No worries, I'm thinking hard about the question you posed and I have before. I wanted to answer so you could poke holes into it (even if you agree) and try to think of reasons it would not work that I overlooked.
I don't know about all states but I know to buy a handgun it took an hour or so for the background check but a concealed carry permit background check took weeks, required fingerprints, and an 8 hour class with a test at the end.[This message has been edited by CoryFiero (edited 12-14-2012).]
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Pyrthian
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DEC 14, 05:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Nurb432: Too bad the thread went from a tragedy to politics. |
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c'mon - some these folks cant wait to spout the same tired BS from the last shooting.....
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Lambo nut
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DEC 14, 05:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Pyrthian:
many people think cutting down on whimsical access would be a benefit |
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To whom, the people that think that crap?
Kevin
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Darth Fiero
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DEC 14, 05:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by lurker:
the concealed carry option might have merit if there's some extra scrutiny, as opposed to just anyone who passes NICS at wal-mart. |
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Here in Indiana, in order to get a permit to carry a handgun, you have to submit to a criminal background check on the local, state, and federal level that can take a few weeks to process. They record your personal info including fingerprints at the time you submit the application. It isn't just an "NICS" you get at wal-mart.
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Lambo nut
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DEC 14, 05:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Darth Fiero:
Here in Indiana, in order to get a permit to carry a handgun, you have to submit to a criminal background check on the local, state, and federal level that can take a few weeks to process. They record your personal info including fingerprints at the time you submit the application. It isn't just an "NICS" you get at wal-mart.
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It is the same here. Just another example of what happens when one jumps in feet first without having a clue about the details. 
Kevin
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Nurb432
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DEC 14, 05:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Lambo nut:
It did very quickly on TV too, so don't preach to us.
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Just because others are irresponsible doesn't mean we have to as well. We should be 'better' than them. We should respect and honor the children ( and adults ) that lost their lives due to this unstable criminal.
Converting it to a political discussion only serves to minimize what happened.
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lurker
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DEC 14, 05:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by CoryFiero: concealed carry permit background check took weeks, required fingerprints, and an 8 hour class with a test at the end.
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kinda makes me wish we could somehow put these guy's brains in a jar and figure out what's wrong with them so we know what to look for. ok, so hypothetically, we allow any concealed carry owner to do so, in "gun free zones". are there any statistics on gun crimes by cc holders? are there 2 (or more) different kinds of gun owners?
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Lambo nut
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DEC 14, 05:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Nurb432:
Just because others are irresponsible doesn't mean we have to as well. We should be 'better' than them. We should respect and honor the children ( and adults ) that lost their lives due to this unstable criminal.
Converting it to a political discussion only serves to minimize what happened. |
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It was tongue in cheek. I added my forgotten smiley if that makes you feel better.
Kevin
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Mickey_Moose
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DEC 14, 05:10 PM
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ANY EVENT - this is a tragic event, and my thoughts go out to the families affected. No idea what would posses someone to go out and kill children like this. Indeed a sad day.  Now, sort of off topic:
| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT: anti gun laws make people with guns stand out. when will you people get this?
Over here you carry a gun you got som explaining to do. |
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um, no - stiffer gun laws do nothing to prevent loons like this from killing. Example, take Mayerthorpe tragedy (yes this happened in Canada and WHILE the gun registry was intact) - the gun registry did nothing to prevent this, nor did the fact that the loon was known by the cops to hate cops and was prohibited from owning guns. So how come none of that stopped him from killing the 4 RCMP officers?
Or how about all those shootings this year in Toronto? Those all happened with 'restricted' guns - yet people still died on public streets. How did the gun laws protect these people?
Sure if I was to walk down a street carrying a rifle I probably wouldn't get too far before someone calls the cops, but that being said, put that same gun in some sort of case or blanket I wouldn't get stopped. What is preventing some loon from doing the exact same thing here? Nothing. It doesn't take anytime to park you car and get out of it carrying a gun and run into any building and kill a bunch of people. That exact scenario has happened here in Canada (although he didn't kill anyone): http://www.theglobeandmail....duct/article4252096/
If a person wanted a gun, they will get a gun, gun laws or not. Look at a recent incident in France where someone killed people at a school there, France FYI has tougher gun laws than we do and yet it still happened.
| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT:
No I do not, I do however think that some can be averted or the consequences can be less severe.
Gun laws will never prevent PLANNED attacks. they will virtually stop unplanned aggressions.
You also need to factor in the average Joe with sub average training on the proper use of a firearm. The training you need to have the "right" to carry a firearm is ridiculous. Where I work we have stringent training (over a year), follow-up training, psych test, etc. to carry a weapon. Armed personnel are trained to not pull out their weapon unless they are POSITIVE of the results. You do not want to cause a panic reaction from the other party with a weapon, you do not want hostages, etc..
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Not true, unplanned aggressions will happen with or without a gun, how many knife attacks happen or people beaten to death?
Also, I own several guns and I never took training that was over a year. In fact I never had any such formal training on firearm use - I was taught to respect and proper use of guns as I was growing up. You also don't need any special kind of training to own a restricted weapon either. You do need a different permit for restricted weapons, but once you have that, there is nothing stopping you from walking into any gun store and buying a hand gun, etc.
Besides all that training and psych test for "armed personnel" that you speak of didn't prevent this tragic event from happening here in Canada either: http://news.nationalpost.co...iversity-of-alberta/[This message has been edited by Mickey_Moose (edited 12-14-2012).]
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lurker
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DEC 14, 05:11 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Lambo nut: Just another example of what happens when one jumps in feet first without having a clue about the details.  Kevin |
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what are you trying to say here, kevin?
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