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theBDub
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SEP 12, 04:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierofetish:
I'll ask you one very simple question Brennan.
If whatever created life wanted us to be able to have children without commitment, without two different components to provide a natural balance to the growth of a child, would we not have all been created as unisex beings...hermaphrodites? We weren't. We were created to PROCREATE with TWO parents, one of each sex, to be able to establish a balanced childhood, puberty and adulthood. NOBODY has the right to bring a child into the World without that natural balance. NOBODY. They don't even have the right to take a chance on the child turning out normal or not.
Babies and young children learn far more by inate senses than direct INSTRUCTION. I know if I had been born and then raised by two women or two men, and deprived of the experience of that NATURAL sexual difference between the two parents, I would be mad as he11.
Want to live and love with somebody of the same sex? Go for it.I couldn't care less. But don't expect the overtime if you don't work a full shift FIRST.
What p1sses me off most is the complaint that WE are insensitive towards homosexuals..when they are even MORE so against heterosexuals and THEIR beliefs.
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I am unsure how to answer the question about creation, but as far as the children go...
I do not think that two parents of the same genders or even sex create the best environment for the child. Studies have been shown that prove having a mother and father is preferable to other scenarios.
But nobody has the perfect childhood.
It isn't going to damage a child raised by two of the same sex. It isn't ideal, but neither are single-parent homes, racist homes, no-parent homes, you name it.
We should try and create the best environment for children. But two men or two women that have been desiring a child for a long time, enough to jump through hoops to have one, are probably going to be more loving than other, less-desirable environments.
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Pyrthian
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SEP 12, 04:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
True. That is why we NEED someone like Gary Johnson to take strong independent actions to save the nation financially and counter the extremists. Please make sure Gary makes it on to your states ballot, the two party system is a failure. |
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as far as I know, Gary Johnson is in fact on the ballot in ALL 50 states.
someone you can actually vote FOR, instead of the wind pissing "vote against" BS. (R) & (D) can suck it.
I hope that somewhere in the next 40 days, there is some actual media exposure.......I guess stuff for another thread, eh?
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TommyRocker
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SEP 12, 05:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierofetish:
I'll ask you one very simple question Brennan.
If whatever created life wanted us to be able to have children without commitment, without two different components to provide a natural balance to the growth of a child, would we not have all been created as unisex beings...hermaphrodites? We weren't. We were created to PROCREATE with TWO parents, one of each sex, to be able to establish a balanced childhood, puberty and adulthood.
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LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of other animals don't mate for life. They **** n duck... The female usually raises the young alone. That's natural. Or are all these animals defying nature?
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fierofetish
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SEP 12, 05:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by TommyRocker:
LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of other animals don't mate for life. They **** n duck... The female usually raises the young alone. That's natural. Or are all these animals defying nature? |
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The complexity of raising a HUMAN CHILD is, IMHO, so unbelievably more demanding than raising a baby animal, which reaches adulthood in a matter of weeks or months,as opposed to 16-21 years in a human being, I really don't think you considered the implausability of the comparison you made TR.
Most animals are so basic, compared to a human being, it would be really rather silly to even make the comparison IMHO  .
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fierofetish
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SEP 12, 05:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
It isn't going to damage a child raised by two of the same sex..... |
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Brennan, I find the apparent conviction you have in that statement is based on emotion, and nothing more, and far from typical of your usual thought input into what you say.
Just answer me this, without trying to justify your answer by quoting your ideals and kind wishes for those you consider to be being persecuted by heterosexual people...
AGAIN I ask you:
WHY ARE WE REQUIRED BY NATURE TO CREATE A LIFE WITH TWO OPPOSITE SEX PEOPLE?
My beliefs are simple and uncomplicated. I believe we are created by Nature. Natural processes. If Nature managed to maintain the Earth for millions of years so successfully, are we REALLY that much smarter than Nature, that we can change Her course with impunity, and no disastrous consequences in the end? Because I believe this World will last for ever in one form or another, and unless we abide by Nature's PLAN, we will be wiped out, and maybe have damaged this Earth so completely by then, Nature will have a terrible task to put it right again. But I fully believe She WILL. Maybe not the same as ever before..but evolution and Nature will restart what we destroy, and I doubt She will be kind enough to give us a second chance, when we do so much to destroy Her.[This message has been edited by fierofetish (edited 09-12-2012).]
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TommyRocker
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SEP 12, 06:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierofetish:
The complexity of raising a HUMAN CHILD is, IMHO, so unbelievably more demanding than raising a baby animal, which reaches adulthood in a matter of weeks or months,as opposed to 16-21 years in a human being, I really don't think you considered the implausability of the comparison you made TR.
Most animals are so basic, compared to a human being, it would be really rather silly to even make the comparison IMHO .
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I did consider it, but I wanted you to specifically state it so the contradiction was clear. So, we should use nature as an example when convenient, but ignore nature when we need to in order to support the anti-gay sentiment. Also, humans are comparable to other animals and their sexuality when the comparison supports your opinion, but are too complex to be comparable otherwise.
I get it.
To the Christian folk... Does your God hate heterosexual couples who engage in butt sex? or just the gays? Guilty minds want to know...
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rogergarrison
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SEP 12, 06:03 PM
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Well if im remembering my Bible correctly, didnt God originally ONLY put MAN on the Earth ? I dont know what his plan for reproduction was with only men. If you believe in it, Eve was the first woman and she was put on Earth as an afterthought...more or less originally just to be a companion.
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Red88FF
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SEP 12, 06:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Romney's statements have concreted my already solidifying motion to vote for good ol' Gary.
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Are you joking or stupid?
| quote | Originally posted by Red88FF:
So if true, both candidates are NOT pro gay whatso ever. The Obummer only recently changed his “official” position in hopes of votes. I think that most don’t give a crap one way or the other. |
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Formula88
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SEP 12, 06:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Sure.
They are all religions, they all have their own god. (The denial of a god still acknowledges the concept.) |
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Then gays should be able to marry. There are gays who believe in God.
Atheists don't follow Christian beliefs, so why should gays be forced to?
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theBDub
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SEP 12, 06:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierofetish:
Brennan, I find the apparent conviction you have in that statement is based on emotion, and nothing more, and far from typical of your usual thought input into what you say.
Just answer me this, without trying to justify your answer by quoting your ideals and kind wishes for those you consider to be being persecuted by heterosexual people...
AGAIN I ask you:
WHY ARE WE REQUIRED BY NATURE TO CREATE A LIFE WITH TWO OPPOSITE SEX PEOPLE?
My beliefs are simple and uncomplicated. I believe we are created by Nature. Natural processes. If Nature managed to maintain the Earth for millions of years so successfully, are we REALLY that much smarter than Nature, that we can change Her course with impunity, and no disastrous consequences in the end? Because I believe this World will last for ever in one form or another, and unless we abide by Nature's PLAN, we will be wiped out, and maybe have damaged this Earth so completely by then, Nature will have a terrible task to put it right again. But I fully believe She WILL. Maybe not the same as ever before..but evolution and Nature will restart what we destroy, and I doubt She will be kind enough to give us a second chance, when we do so much to destroy Her.
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Because that's how we evolved. You completely glazed over the rest of my post, which clearly states why I believe the way I believe. That yes, it's not the ideal environment, but it's no worse than anything else.
What makes you think that it will be detrimental to the child? You keep talking about nature's plan as if nature is a sentient being. It isn't... so there is no plan there. And I highly doubt if nature is a sentient being, that it cares how a child was raised.
| quote | Originally posted by Red88FF:
Are you joking or stupid?
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Umm, last time I checked, Obama's first name is Barack. Romney's is Mitt. I said Gary.
Try again.[This message has been edited by theBDub (edited 09-12-2012).]
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