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fierofetish NOV 04, 10:01 AM
Firstly, I don't think my contribution translates as moaning Secondly, I don't accept neccessarily that the prep for the joints is good, but looking at a photo makes it more hazardous to make a firm comment. However, from my experience of 40 years welding, they were NOT prepared sufficiently. The evidence is there in the photo, if you know what you are looking for. The welds are not as they should be, and I don't care how much your welder says they are.I will even make a copy of your mount to demonstrate why I think they are poor quality.
And just for the record..I don't know Purple Reign..have never actually discussed anything with him in my 5 years on PFF, nor yourself for that matter I am not taking sides therefore, just wanting the product , whomever makes them, to be as good as possible for the CUSTOMER, and consequently for the fabricator too.
Nick
sorefeet NOV 04, 04:11 PM
not taking sides, but i was wondering, for that small of a weld why not TIG it and not have to worry about it. I also have a lot of welding experience (not anywhere near 40 years, but closer to 8) and i know some one that builds NHRA certified chassis and he tigs all of his, wouldnt that remove all doubt if done properly? by the way, 10 secs is bad ass, i dont care what your driving, thats my goal for a street car.
Billybo455 NOV 04, 06:17 PM
tig is slow. stick and mig are pretty quick to do. that's why they use it. speed and simplicity= more profit.
Chicken McNizzle NOV 05, 01:18 PM
Outta curiousuty, for all those that think they are a welding inspector, how many here are actually certified and AWS members? I am
fierofetish NOV 05, 03:40 PM
Yes, I have passed my pipe-bend, City and Guilds, Automotive welding Diploma and a couple of other 'British' exams. I also found that field work and experience means a LOT more than 'Learning from a book for exams'.. But most of all, my work has never failed yet, in terms of inspection AND longevity I did point out that judging from a photo is not the best way to acrry out an inspection, but all the signs I quoted of the poor quality of the welds show in the photo, as far as I am concerned.. Do you think they are at an acceptable level of quality? This is a cordial question, not confrontational
I did thake the laptop with me to the local welding shop, and asked the opinion of their 64 year old pro welder,(50 years experience, and was Consultant on many of the Welding procedures on Port Aventura Theme Park rollercoasters etc) who is in a class of his own. His opinion was that the welds show inherent weakness, and a propensity to failure under stress.
Again, I am not rying to take sides, just expressing a genuine concern about the quality of the welds
Nick
Edit to add: I also worked with Brent Chemical International in Brentford, West London, who developed and marketed (in conjunction with Ardrossan of Scotland) , a fluorescent/UV system for revealing cracks in welds and metals called Ardrox. Learned a lot from them too

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sorefeet NOV 05, 04:29 PM
i have passed bending test, pipe inspection and have had some of my welds x-rayed when i worked industrial construction, havnt failed any yet, but i did go to welding school for 4 years so i have had some of the book stuff too, i agree that field work is much better experience.
vinny NOV 06, 11:07 AM
I've been a welder for about 9 years and passed a lot of test bending and x-ray and yada yada. You don't necessarily have to bevel to make a strong weld. If you did we would all be dead because 95% of the things welded on you car is not. You don't necessarily have to weld to the VERY end if you did there would be power plant boilers all over the world falling to the ground because the "clips" holding the boiler to the structural steel frame are not welded to the end they skip 1/8 on each end of a 3" clip. Oh and they are not beveled (mind you now, This is scientific stuff here). At the very most the weld is slightly under filled BUT not excessivly. I give the weld a passing weld of a B+. BUT LET ME REMIND EVERONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyones weld CAN break at anytime (under the right circumstances).
If you think different. Your foolish.

Good Day
Vinny

Oh yeah. Have any of you ever welded with INCONEL (ERNicr-3, or ENiCrFe-3) If not you aint welded with crap.

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Sphynx NOV 06, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by fieroX:
The owner said he guarantees all of the welds lifetime, and I will personally guarantee that if you break one of these mounts (with them properly installed, and installed with a torque strut mount of course), I will fly out to your place and fix it myself for free. How about that for a freaking warranty?



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JazzMan NOV 06, 02:25 PM
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Bremertonfiero NOV 06, 10:36 PM
about the welds i am a weldor i have been for along time and the same with 2 generations of family members (well i take that back my dad was a weldor now hes and engineer and i am trying to put myslef through school in that subject) they look fairly good when you relize you wont be towing the car on them i mean they sould be fine. the reason the welds arnt raped around are it would most likely be superflous and they would require dual passes which just drives costs up.
fieroX were these miged our arced with a low hydrogen rod?