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chrismclubm
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AUG 24, 02:28 AM
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jmbishop
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AUG 24, 09:14 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Archie:
Interesting, the only NotchBack Chop Top in Texas or any surrounding state is Will Martins car at Loyde's
From what I read Will is trying to get his car back from Loyde but is running into a brick wall.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...ML/071221-2.html#p66
Since you talk like you have enough access to Loyde to be able to arrange to dig the car out of the weeds & have a photo shoot, maybe you can furnish Will with whatever phone number you use to get ahold of Loyde when no one else can.
You want to diss me so bad that you start flopping your mouth. Then your jabbering reveils that you & a few other TX Fiero people still have easy access to a guy that many other Fiero people on this Forum would like to talk to.
What do you guys do when you all get together? Do you sit around & laugh at all of Loyde's customers who have cars & projects sitting around there?
Archie
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That has to be the worst post I've ever seen from Archie. Sure Will is having trouble getting his car, but what provoked Archie to bash the NTFC?
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Chicken McNizzle
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AUG 24, 02:28 PM
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Thats easy, because the majority tolorate it. Any other vehicle forum and, well...
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jscott1
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AUG 24, 03:09 PM
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Can we please keep this on the topic of Archie's chop/ Mike's Windows???
If this degrades and ends up in the trash it's not going to help anyone.
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pumpkincarriage
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AUG 24, 04:04 PM
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I would never normally post in a thread like this, but since I am a proud member of NTFC and because it's about time someone mentioned the 'crooked roof effect' I feel I might as well.
#1. Do we sit around and laugh at people who can't contact Loyde? Of course we don't. We feel bad for those people and on more than one occasion we have tried to help people find him, including a trip out to his place after a meeting where 4-5 of us escorted a 'customer' out to Loyde's place to see if we could catch him there since he would not answer anyone's phone call. Even if Loyde has not taken any of our money he has still let us down as a club, and none of us find that the least bit amusing.
#2. I have seen Will Martins chop, Leroy's chop, the Stinger, and the Taz Devil chop... They have all been uneven across the rear section of the roof, and the notchbacks both have flaws up the A-pillars as well. If you stand behind the rear of these cars and look directly across the horizontal plane of the roof it will have a wave, or at best lean to one side. It is not really obvious, I am a perfectionist and exceedingly detail oriented, I just happened to be nit-picking Will Martin's car at a NTFC meeting years ago (because overall it is gorgeous and I wanted to appreciate the finer points) when I noticed, and since then have inspected the other chops just out of curiousity. Will Martin's car also has alot of uneveness up the A pillars, this was hard to see without paint but was very noticeable by running your hand over it. The roof on Leroy's car has waves across the roof section of the rear clip, enough that I noticed them in the dimly lit parking lot. I am afraid these will be even more noticeable once it's painted, because light will not create an even reflection over it's surface. The Stinger is an amazing car, to this day it is my dream Fiero and even with it's faults I do not hesitate to say that. However, it has the same issues as the previous cars (as well as the triangular pieces behind the mirror being tucked behind the pillar and bulging to create unsightly gaps). I did not inspect the Taz. car as closely as I have these others, but from the Texas site at the 25th to where he was parked I was able to see the same issue with the roof section.
#3. I have seen Mike's chop in person and I was very impressed. His car had no waves, no off angles, no unevenness what so ever. It was obvious he had put alot of time into making sure everything was exact. However, the angle of the windows was not as attractive as the angle of the windows on Archie's chops. Does having glass outweigh difference in position? That is a tough call and a personal choice. I don't think anyone here really cares about the amount of work or cost of paying someone it would take to make Mike's windows work, or else they probably wouldn't have chops in the first place. So, seeing as how it comes down to function vs. style in the end and each person will eventually decided which is most important to them, how much longer does this discussion need to go on?
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jscott1
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AUG 24, 04:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by pumpkincarriage:
I am a perfectionist and exceedingly detail oriented,
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Wow, wait until you see my car again, I'm sure you can find a hundred or more flaws in it!  Thanks for your observation. What I'm looking for is a viable alternative for the windows I have. Everyone says just call up a glass company. Don't you think if it was that easy that Curley, Leroy, Will Martin, myself, etc would have done that by now?
From Archie's explanation is seems that there is currently no economically viable way to make a compound curved glass with the steep bend that his chop tops need. Can Mike's windows be installed...obviously anything's possible. Would be be perfect? Obviously not. Good enough? Hard to say.
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DL10
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AUG 24, 06:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by pumpkincarriage:
I am a perfectionist and exceedingly detail oriented,
. I have seen Mike's chop in person and I was very impressed. His car had no waves, no off angles, no unevenness what so ever. It was obvious he had put alot of time into making sure everything was exact. However, the angle of the windows was not as attractive as the angle of the windows on Archie's chops. |
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So from your observations and the fact that you find the angle of Archie's chops more attractive………… do you think Mike's windows would fit an Archie chop to a nats ass? Or do you agree they have different angles and won't work....
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troyboy
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AUG 24, 07:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by pumpkincarriage:
I would never normally post in a thread like this, but since I am a proud member of NTFC and because it's about time someone mentioned the 'crooked roof effect' I feel I might as well.
#1. Do we sit around and laugh at people who can't contact Loyde? Of course we don't. We feel bad for those people and on more than one occasion we have tried to help people find him, including a trip out to his place after a meeting where 4-5 of us escorted a 'customer' out to Loyde's place to see if we could catch him there since he would not answer anyone's phone call. Even if Loyde has not taken any of our money he has still let us down as a club, and none of us find that the least bit amusing.
#2. I have seen Will Martins chop, Leroy's chop, the Stinger, and the Taz Devil chop... They have all been uneven across the rear section of the roof, and the notchbacks both have flaws up the A-pillars as well. If you stand behind the rear of these cars and look directly across the horizontal plane of the roof it will have a wave, or at best lean to one side. It is not really obvious, I am a perfectionist and exceedingly detail oriented, I just happened to be nit-picking Will Martin's car at a NTFC meeting years ago (because overall it is gorgeous and I wanted to appreciate the finer points) when I noticed, and since then have inspected the other chops just out of curiousity. Will Martin's car also has alot of uneveness up the A pillars, this was hard to see without paint but was very noticeable by running your hand over it. The roof on Leroy's car has waves across the roof section of the rear clip, enough that I noticed them in the dimly lit parking lot. I am afraid these will be even more noticeable once it's painted, because light will not create an even reflection over it's surface. The Stinger is an amazing car, to this day it is my dream Fiero and even with it's faults I do not hesitate to say that. However, it has the same issues as the previous cars (as well as the triangular pieces behind the mirror being tucked behind the pillar and bulging to create unsightly gaps). I did not inspect the Taz. car as closely as I have these others, but from the Texas site at the 25th to where he was parked I was able to see the same issue with the roof section.
#3. I have seen Mike's chop in person and I was very impressed. His car had no waves, no off angles, no unevenness what so ever. It was obvious he had put alot of time into making sure everything was exact. However, the angle of the windows was not as attractive as the angle of the windows on Archie's chops. Does having glass outweigh difference in position? That is a tough call and a personal choice. I don't think anyone here really cares about the amount of work or cost of paying someone it would take to make Mike's windows work, or else they probably wouldn't have chops in the first place. So, seeing as how it comes down to function vs. style in the end and each person will eventually decided which is most important to them, how much longer does this discussion need to go on?
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Being that you have critiqued so many of Archies chops, I'm sure you have pic's to show these imperfections, right?
I'm still looking for the post that Archie even mentioned NTFC unless your saying that all Texans that drive a Fiero belong to NTFC.[This message has been edited by troyboy (edited 08-24-2008).]
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joshua riedl
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AUG 24, 07:31 PM
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The pictures are on the first page and you guys are still arguing. They can be made to fit just like I made them fit but they will require a lot of adjustment. As far as the crooked roofs go, I tend to believe it has more to do with the hard top vs sunroof, they aren't perfect from the factory and don't even match the rear clip on a stock hard top fiero. There is a huge bubble in the middle and curves down to the rear where it meets the rear hoop and levels out. Believe me I've fought the battle and have looked at a lot a cars. Now stop acting like babys, if you want pictures to show what needs to be cut to make them fit let me know.
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jmbishop
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AUG 24, 07:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by troyboy:
Being that you have critiqued so many of Archies chops, I'm sure you have pic's to show these imperfections, right?
I'm still looking for the post that Archie even mentioned NTFC unless your saying that all Texans that drive a Fiero belong to NTFC.
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Troy thats 3 now that I know of that claim they have seen the crooked roof.
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