archie is gettin bashed on streetfire? (Page 8/53)
Formula88 MAR 14, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Xanth:

What's wrong with just racing to see who wins? Such a simple argument that can be easily resolved.



That's a great idea. Except for a bit of a problem.
Between a couple friends or rivals, if they want to race and see who wins, it's all good. But when you're someone like Archie who does this for a living it's not about 2 people comparing cars - it becomes about any car Archie's ever built and everyone who's ever thought they were faster than any of Archie's cars.

If you've read this forum for any length of time, you've seen dozens of people talk trash about Archie. What should he do, take his time and money and go race everyone that walks up? It would be an endless line of people who want to prove themselves. Should he race anyone with a Fiero who thinks they're faster than him? What's in it for him? Seems to me it's a lose-lose scenario. If he wins, people will say a V8 should be faster, so he's not gained anything. If he loses, people rag about how slow his car is. Regardless he's out the time and money for the race.

People like Shaunbag and his nutswingers have a problem with Archie and anyone who has a V8 swap. Should every V8 owner be willing to race any challenger at any time just to settle an argument that the V8 owner doesn't even care about in the first place?

I had this same problem back in the day when I had my '87 Grand National. It was touted as the fastest American production car for that year, and every punk under the sun tried to race me all the time to prove he was faster - because the GN was the big gun in town. Old Camaros, Mustangs, Chevelles, every 5-oh Mustang on the planet, not to mention an endless supply of ricer Hondas with fart cans - they all tried to race me whenever we got caught at a stop light, because the GN was supposed to be fast and they wanted to prove they were faster. I didn't care how fast their car was, and I damn sure didn't feel like proving my car was faster (or not) at every freaking stop light.

If you want to prove something, bring something to the table to make it worthwhile for all parties involved.

[This message has been edited by Formula88 (edited 03-14-2008).]

Mr.PBody MAR 14, 03:12 PM
Funny how your alter ego only appears in flame wars tom, can you effing read the PFF rules about one user name?
Mr.PBody MAR 14, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by The_Stickman2:

I think this thread shows one thing. We all have Fiero's. BUT we all like to have them OUR way. And that bashing someone else and their car(s) because it's not what we want is just wrong. It's not about the numbers, although they are nice for bragging rights. I don't think there is anyone that simply builds a car just to have the fastest one out there. We build them to enjoy them and drive them. So the next time someone says "I want to do this" either lend advice(not by telling them to do something other than what they want) or don't say anything. The diversity of engines that the Fiero can take is one of the things that make it so special. We are very lucky in that respect.



THANK YOU!
Oreif MAR 14, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Xanth:

lol, you're leaving yourself a nice trail on the internet as well Archie.

I would like to see a race, don't see why there needs to be any money or anything else involved.

What's wrong with just racing to see who wins? Such a simple argument that can be easily resolved. I would like to see a 3800SC Vs a V8. Don't even care who's cars, just interesting to see.

It would be nice to see a V8 doing something other than just idling.



Why are you blaming Archie for the "race for money"?? darkhorizon is the one who stated he would race for "money/pinks", Archie just stated $5k to see how serious dh was.
Obviously the original challenge was only to stir the pot and dh had no real intention of going thru with it. There was no "argument" just someone making a challenge that was actually a bluff and someone called his bluff.

animal MAR 14, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by avengador1:

Animal, when you are in a public place anyone can photograph or take videos of you, it's not illegal. If you didn't want Shaun taking a video of your dyno run you could have asked him to leave the premises, but I don't know if you had the authority to do so. You could have asked the owner of the dyno to ask him to leave or to not allow video taping, if you felt your privacy was being invaded. I doubt this would have happen if they are friends with Shaun or weren't in the mood to accomodate you. The bottom line is now you (and anyone who watches the video) know what your car is putting out at the wheels.
You can improve upon these numbers if you want to or live with them. This should only matter to you. There is no need to get upset because someone else makes fun of your numbers. What matters is that you are happy with them and enjoy your car as is. Not everyone would be happy with a car that makes 300 HP or more at the wheels, like most people seem to be pointing to as their goal. That is when a car starts to become a handful and isn't as enjoyable or reliable to drive. There are a lot of haters out there. Most are haters because they are jealous that they don't have what you have. Enjoy what you have and don't worry about the peanut gallery



I don't know why you people can't seem to read. I did not know Shaunbag was taking video. Ask the networks what the financial and/or legal liablilty is on broadcasting video without permission or at least intentionally misrepresenting the facts. I still don't know who Shaun is. I have never met him or if I did he did not make himself known to me. I would not know him if I were sitting next to him and I don't care to know him. I am not at all upset about the dyno numbers because I didn't give a Shi$$ in the first place and did absolutely nothing to get ready - no timing changes, no advance curve optimization (and I have an MSD digital distributor so that would have been easy) - again can't you people read or is it a comprehension problem. I also own a C6 that makes over 350 hp at the rear wheels and I certainly don't consider it a "handful" to drive - its fun. Once again, I personally feel like Shaunbag has invaded my privacy and he turned something that was supposed to be a fun car guy day into an ugly competition it was not. I spent the majority of my time trying to help and accomodate the kid with the 3800 turbo trying to stop leaks long enough so he could get it on the dyno, then the kid stiffed us for the dyno fee. this is not a simple argument among friends - Shaunbag haas an ageenda and I personally consider Shaunbag a wacko and a potential physical threat - what part of that don't you understand?


Xanth MAR 14, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Oreif:


Why are you blaming Archie for the "race for money"?? darkhorizon is the one who stated he would race for "money/pinks", Archie just stated $5k to see how serious dh was.
Obviously the original challenge was only to stir the pot and dh had no real intention of going thru with it. There was no "argument" just someone making a challenge that was actually a bluff and someone called his bluff.



I don't care who races, or who challenged who. I don't think either side is really serious. What I'm saying is I would like to see a V8 race a 3800SC, without any stakes involved.

These same BS arguments keep wasting space here, but no one on either side has any real results to post, but both sides defend their lack of results with pointless ferocity. Many times, V8 owners will give the "i didn't build the car to go fast" statement, but then furiously argue that the V8 will beat a 3800sc.

I myself would like to Turbo my 2.8, because thats what I want to do. I also have no false hopes of it being faster than a V8 or 3800SC, and as such wouldn't defend it as being so. I am not for or against either side, because both are full of BS when it comes to hacking each other up over engine swaps. If you care if the car is faster, than just race or dyno the damn thing. If not, then don't worry about it and just enjoy what you've built.
Formula88 MAR 14, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Xanth:
Many times, V8 owners will give the "i didn't build the car to go fast" statement, but then furiously argue that the V8 will beat a 3800sc.



Please cite an example.


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Originally posted by Xanth:
If you care if the car is faster, than just race or dyno the damn thing. If not, then don't worry about it and just enjoy what you've built.



Good advice, except for the person who doesn't care if their car is faster and a bunch of nutswinger keep harassing them to race. Saying you're not interested doesn't end the BS - it only feeds the fire and they keep ragging and complaing and harassing.

Do you actually think if any V8 owner says "I didn't build my car to drag race." that the nutswingers would stop ragging and harassing them? History says they wouldn't.
Mr.PBody MAR 14, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:

Do you actually think if any V8 owner says "I didn't build my car to drag race." that the nutswingers would stop ragging and harassing them? History says they wouldn't.



Example cited.
kyp MAR 14, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Xanth:


I don't care who races, or who challenged who. I don't think either side is really serious. What I'm saying is I would like to see a V8 race a 3800SC, without any stakes involved.

These same BS arguments keep wasting space here, but no one on either side has any real results to post, but both sides defend their lack of results with pointless ferocity. Many times, V8 owners will give the "i didn't build the car to go fast" statement, but then furiously argue that the V8 will beat a 3800sc.

I myself would like to Turbo my 2.8, because thats what I want to do. I also have no false hopes of it being faster than a V8 or 3800SC, and as such wouldn't defend it as being so. I am not for or against either side, because both are full of BS when it comes to hacking each other up over engine swaps. If you care if the car is faster, than just race or dyno the damn thing. If not, then don't worry about it and just enjoy what you've built.


well lets take the fastest v8 here and match it up with the fastest 3800sc and see who wins. im throwing my name in the hat for 3800's it isnt finished yet but when it is ill run it im building it to race it. so i think it would only be fair to race a v8 thats built to race not to dd. im not trying to flame here i just wanna see a race just for the fun of it, doesnt have to be an archie car just a v8.
troyboy MAR 14, 04:07 PM
Shaunbag was posting on all of the vid's of my car on YouTube, At first I let the little nut sack pis me off but then I would chalk it off to immaturity and ignorance. So when he or his crew start sh*t I just think of this:
http://www.ladyofthecake.co...k/sounds/bastard.wav
and laugh it off