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84Bill SEP 12, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:
Thank you for the reply.



Any time.


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But



Oh.. you arent thankful... Very well, thanks for your honesty. It is appriciated.


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I submit that neither complaining nor remaining silent makes you a patriot.



I submit this as proof to the contrary.

The Oral Complaint

"The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

AND

Remaining silent makes you a sheep to be lead willingly and without protest to the slaughterhouse for processing.


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You are an adament supporter of free speech and don't want anyone else to tell you what to think, say or do, and rightly so.



Yes, that is correct.


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So I would like to respectfully remind you not to tell us what to say, think, or do in order to show our patriotism.



Not once have I told you what to say. You can say ANYTHING you want.
However, I demand that you show your patriotism when displaying the symbol that represents it. Anything less angers me and I will make that known to all.

The flag is a hallowed symbol representing principals. To strip the principals from it makes it a hollow meaningless pathetic rag on a stick.

Silence me if you wish but the peril and peanilty for doing so is one we both will suffer and one that I will not accept without great resistance.


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In occupied France during WWII, not everyone shouted from the rooftops their disapproval of their Nazi occupiers. Some remained quiet. Some hid - went underground. Some worked from behind the scenes to form the French Resistance. I dare say they were patriots of the highest order.



They hid for good reason, they fought for an even better one. I'm not stupid Formula88, neither were the French Resistance fighters.

It is better to be looking down at the grass with contempt than be looking up at it with vaccant eyes.


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You go on shouting out your views and your disapproval. That is your right and I will not attempt to silence you.



No will I you.


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All I ask is the same consideration for those who choose a different path.



Any path a person takes that does not conform to the definition of patriotism, is not the path of patriotism.
That is what this post.. MY posts are all about.

Consideration is granted to everyone equally. It's a given, I will vociferously demand it when I feel I'm not getting it.
I expect the same of you.. in fact I demand it of you.

I respect you as an individual, I respect your rights. However, I do not have to agree with you to show my respect for you.
I vociferously demand the same of you.

Either we stand united and enjoy the rewards or we fall divided and suffer the results. Like it or not, the ground we stand on will be common and level.... and we WILL share it equally.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

• George Read • Caesar Rodney • Thomas McKean • George Clymer • Benjamin Franklin • Robert Morris • John Morton • Benjamin Rush • George Ross • James Smith • James Wilson • George Taylor • John Adams • Samuel Adams • John Hancock • Robert Treat Paine • Elbridge Gerry • Josiah Bartlett • William Whipple • Matthew Thornton • Stephen Hopkins • William Ellery • Lewis Morris • Philip Livingston • Francis Lewis • William Floyd • Button Gwinnett • Lyman Hall • George Walton • Richard Henry Lee • Francis Lightfoot Lee • Carter Braxton • Benjamin Harrison • Thomas Jefferson • George Wythe • Thomas Nelson, Jr. • William Hooper • John Penn • Joseph Hewes • Edward Rutledge • Arthur Middleton • Thomas Lynch, Jr. • Thomas Heyward, Jr. • Abraham Clark • John Hart • Francis Hopkinson • Richard Stockton • John Witherspoon • Samuel Huntington • Roger Sherman • William Williams • Oliver Wolcott • Charles Carroll • Samuel Chase • Thomas Stone • William Paca


I hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Care to make it personal or is it just a conglomeration of words to be admired and not taken seriously?
Jake_Dragon SEP 12, 06:02 PM

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However, I demand that you show your patriotism when displaying the symbol that represents it. Anything less angers me and I will make that known to all.



Mine or your definition? The one you posted and sent me in an e-mail. I seem to meet them both yet you still point your finger from your soap box and say you are more a patriot than me and I should take my rag down.

paทtriทot (pโนtr๊-et, -๒tด) noun
One who loves, supports, and defends one's country.

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Formula88 SEP 12, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:
Consideration is granted to everyone equally. It's a given, I will vociferously demand it when I feel I'm not getting it.
I expect the same of you.. in fact I demand it of you.

I respect you as an individual, I respect your rights. However, I do not have to agree with you to show my respect for you.
I vociferously demand the same of you.

Either we stand united and enjoy the rewards or we fall divided and suffer the results. Like it or not, the ground we stand on will be common and level.... and we WILL share it equally.



Very well said. I am in total agreement with you, there. I do express my displeausre of the things I disagree with, though perhaps not as vocally as you do. And I will be making my opinions known on election day. I just hope there's some option. Nobody of either party, IMO, deserves re-election this time around.

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"The events of September the 11th brought destruction to the Arab and Islamic world..."
- Suleiman Al-Ghulaiga, a Riyadh university student

jstricker SEP 12, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


The arms "I" have been compelled by "MY" enemies to assume "I" will.






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Originally written by Thomas Jefferson:

The arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume we will



Notice the difference in the two quotes. Jefferson is concerned for the welfare of the COUNTRY. Bill seems concerned with the welfare of Bill


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Originally posted by 84Bill:
1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

With vigor and passion... read my posted reply to retardster and his arrogance of my right to quote Jefferson as I wish when I wish and how I wish.

I obviously stand alone.



Why? Because other people see things differently than you? What makes your opinion superior? When did you become infallible? Why do you assume that YOUR way is the ONLY way to do the two things you have listed? Arrogance unleashed (and unjustified).

John Stricker

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84Bill SEP 12, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
I seem to meet them both yet you still point your finger from your soap box and say you are more a patriot than me and I should take my rag down.



I did??? Where?

I believe I said it is unacceptable to assume the flag is safe and further expounded on that premice.

I also included the horrible fact that democracy (which stands in stark contrast to the pricipals this country was founded on) dictates that I must remain vigilent.. IE. I do not assume the flag is safe even IF you feel it is. AND the price of ever vigilence is what I WILL BEGRIDGINGLY PAY so YOU can take comfort that all is well and the symbol is "safe."

NOW....
Go ahead and realigate it to your living room if you want." Go ahead and burn it if you want. HELL MAN shove it up your butt and sing yankee doddle dandy all damn day!! Go for it guy!
All I'm saying... and I've said it MANY times already... It's not just something to be displayed because it's the thing to do and everyone else is doing it. It represents your personal sacrefices made in defending the founding principals..

If the principlas are not there then it is just a rag.... Is that how you see it Jake??? is it a rag??

I'm NOT SAYING it is.. I'M ASKING YOU and all you are doing is accusing me of saying something I never said.
Jake_Dragon SEP 12, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


I did??? Where?

I believe I said it is unacceptable to assume the flag is safe and further expounded on that premice.

I also included the horrible fact that democracy (which stands in stark contrast to the pricipals this country was founded on) dictates that I must remain vigilent.. IE. I do not assume the flag is safe even IF you feel it is. AND the price of ever vigilence is what I WILL BEGRIDGINGLY PAY so YOU can take comfort that all is well and the symbol is "safe."

NOW....
Go ahead and realigate it to your living room if you want." Go ahead and burn it if you want. HELL MAN shove it up your butt and sing yankee doddle dandy all damn day!! Go for it guy!
All I'm saying... and I've said it MANY times already... It's not just something to be displayed because it's the thing to do and everyone else is doing it. It represents your personal sacrefices made in defending the founding principals..

If the principlas are not there then it is just a rag.... Is that how you see it Jake??? is it a rag??

I'm NOT SAYING it is.. I'M ASKING YOU and all you are doing is accusing me of saying something I never said.




I think you compared it to my shorts.

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Then why not hang out your tidy whities instead?

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blackrams SEP 12, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
THE PROGRAM IS THIS:
On Monday, September 11th, 2006, an American flag should be displayed outside every home, apartment, office, and store in the United States.
Every individual should make it their duty to display an American flag on this fifth anniversary of our country's worst tragedy. We do this in honor of those who lost their lives on 9/11, their families, friends and loved ones who continue to endure the pain, and those who today are fighting at home and abroad to preserve our cherished freedoms.
Thank you.



"We do this in honor of those who lost their lives on 9/11, their families, friends and loved ones who continue to endure the pain, and those who today are fighting at home and abroad to preserve our cherished freedoms. "

Thanks to those that participated. A sincere heartfelt respect and gratitude for those serving this great nation.

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Ron
Freedom isn't Free, it's paid for with the blood and dreams of those that have gone before us.
My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.

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84Bill SEP 12, 10:47 PM
Then immidiatly following I wrote.

"I misunderstood what you said."


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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
I think you compared it to my shorts.



I thought we went over that already.
I thought you said rags.. If your short are like rags I'll send you 5 bux to get new ones.

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84Bill SEP 12, 11:17 PM
Thanks.


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Originally posted by Formula88:
Very well said. I am in total agreement with you, there. I do express my displeausre of the things I disagree with, though perhaps not as vocally as you do. And I will be making my opinions known on election day. I just hope there's some option. Nobody of either party, IMO, deserves re-election this time around.



Me too.
I feel so discouraged and helpless to change it. Army of one don't mean jack tooty aganst such a powerful machine.. It was never meant nor supposed to be this way...
Toddster SEP 13, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by 84Blabbering:


I delight in the idea of having you meet him in persoan so you may back up those assumptions.



Well, since his blood flows through my veins I think I have a more personal insight into the man than most.

Yes, Bill, I would love to see you, who said the following, explain to Jefferson jjust what the hell you are blabbering about:



"You arent free and you don't live in a free country.
Not only are you a slave but you are a bobble head nodding in total agreement with the powers that be who tell you how to think, how to speek how to act. You are bombarded by your masters bullcrap every waking moment of you existance. They control everything you do, no matter what you do and where you "choose" to do it. You cant even walk down the street anymore without official "papers" proving you are who you say you are... to be submitted upon "lawful" command.
Freedom has been revoked. It has been replaced by a contract, a "privilage" that you.. and me have signed that is subject to revocation on a whim so you have no choice but to go along with it. "


Here is Jefferson's take:

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws outright restrain him; every man in under the natural duty of contributing to the necessities of the society, and this is all the laws should enforce on him; and no man having a natural right to be the judge between himself and another, it is his natural duty to submit to the umpirage of an impartial third."!!!


Yeah Bill, you and Jefferson are tight

On the count of 3 you will wake up,

1...2...3...snap!

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