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| Have you got an L98 TPI you want more power out of ??? (Page 8/12) |
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AaronZ34
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DEC 14, 07:46 PM
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In an effort to establish credibility, my current project: 55 Bel Air 2 door post. 406 cubic inch, 4 bolt main, forged steel rods, forged aluminum pistons, Comp Camshaft, P&P 2.02 heads, Weind blower, Demon Carburetion, full MSD boost-regulated ignition-coil-distributor-wires, Equal length long tube headers, and a few other supporting parts. 
[This message has been edited by AaronZ34 (edited 12-14-2005).]
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ryan.hess
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DEC 14, 07:46 PM
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Aaron, I think I speak for most of us when I say, you're not helping. The whole point of this thread after it got put into the trashcan, was, to hopefully get Cali Kid on a dyno.... or to get Tom from stop posting horsepower numbers when no numbers exist. Preferrably the former. You're doing the equivalent of running around and kicking everyone in the crotch.
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AaronZ34
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DEC 14, 07:48 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by ryan.hess: Aaron, I think I speak for most of us when I say, you're not helping. The whole point of this thread after it got put into the trashcan, was, to hopefully get Cali Kid on a dyno.... or to get Tom from stop posting horsepower numbers when no numbers exist. Preferrably the former. You're doing the equivalent of running around and kicking everyone in the crotch. |
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Sorry, but when Archie repeatedly calls me a moron, I am going to back up my claims. I highly doubt Cali Kid will put his car on the dyno, it would suck to have to post that sheet on the internet...
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ryan.hess
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DEC 14, 07:54 PM
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That's understandable. Lets see if we can turn this into a more positive thread to encourage Tom to the dyno.
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AaronZ34
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DEC 14, 08:23 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by ryan.hess: That's understandable. Lets see if we can turn this into a more positive thread to encourage Tom to the dyno. |
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Sounds good to me! The things I love most about dynoes. I love watching the whole car torque up when it starts making good power. It is sweet looking, and then they let off, and it falls forward. It is awesome. The sound(s) are also crazy. It is so loud and powerful! Even Hondas sound good on teh dyn0. I also like watching everyone else run their cars, and watching the numbers. Plus, and best of all, you get to meet a lot of people, with actual interest in the powerplant of their cars. Not just folks who say yah it's got 5 gajillion horses or whatever, but the guys who spend every weekend tweaking. You can get into some really good discussions, and form connections very useful later on. I love going to dyno, and it is the best $25, and $50 I have ever spent I think. I could have made 20hp and been happy. It is the same situation as 1/4mi. Even when I go and the track is so busy that I only get a run or two, it is still a blast. Most fun I've had in a long time no doubt. [This message has been edited by AaronZ34 (edited 12-14-2005).]
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Archie
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DEC 14, 09:02 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by AaronZ34: I am going to back up my claims. ... |
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Well big shot, then back up your claims.......... You claimed that I had said that every TPI engine I installed made 400+ HP. We are still waiting for you to prove that claim. The PPE on my site wasn't built by me. If you had read the threads Oreif had posted you'd see that Rich had a bunch of parts & background to back up his claims. In fact, when Rich was still alive & showing his car, his Dyno chart was a part of his display. Everybody in NIFE had seen that chart several times. Too bad someone didn't take a digital picture of it so they could justify Rich's claims to some punk a$$ kid 10 years later. BTW: just in case you can't sit still to read the threads Oreif posted Here is part of what Rich's car was built with.............. (BTW the MSP was a typo just in case you were too stupid to figure it out)
| quote | | Rich decided on a 1970 Corvette 350 block which was rated at about 300 hp in 1970. He started by boring it out by .030 over, added 6 inch Crower rods, a Crower cam (280 degrees duration dual pattern), roller rockers, Weisco forged pistons, MSP ignition, fluid damper balance, air flow research aluminum heads, all chromed, tuned port injection (by Street and Performance), Sanderson ceramic coated headers, NASCAR aluminum radiator and then used a V8 mounting kit by Gary Zumwalt to set it up in the Fiero engine bay. The battery was relocated to the right rear of the luggage compartment in an upholstered enclosure. With the overbore, Rich now had a 355 cubic inch fuel injected engine putting out 450 hp! Mated with the bulletproof Muncie 4 speed, plenty of torque and power are always available. To keep the car street legal and emissions compliant, Rich added dual catalytic converters and dual glass packs. How long to build up this engine and install? All Rich can say is over 100 hours! What about results? How about 0-60 in 3.70 seconds? In 1995/96 Rich added the IRM ground effects package, Compomotive TS 16 inch wheels, Goodyear Eagle GT tires, P205/55R16 fronts and P225/50R-16 rear, cut the springs by about 1-1/4 coil to lower the car, and raised the rear wing 2-1/2 inches. In 1996, the car won numerous awards at all the various Pontiac and Fiero car shows. |
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Another thing to remember the next time you want to rag on Rich's car, you best remember that the "Best of Show" trophy given out every year at NIFE's FieroRama is called "The Rich Warber Award". You need to learn a little respect for your elders & for those that have passed away. Momma didn't teach ya but we will. Now bigshot, let's see all those TPI's that I built & claimed were 400+ HP......... Archie [This message has been edited by Archie (edited 12-14-2005).]
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JohnnyK
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DEC 14, 09:17 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Archie:
You need to learn a little respect for your elders & for those that have passed away. Momma didn't teach ya but we will.
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Not to interject, but I'd hardly say doubting car claims is disrespecting the dead.. Sheesh. My mustang runs 11's, and I'm the best guitarist ever. When I die, don't question that.
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Oreif
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DEC 14, 09:18 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by AaronZ34:
Doesn't deny the fact that imformation on your website shows the car, and claims 450hp with crappy parts. You say documentation, but the only documention I see barely supports 250hp, and doesn't have a dyno. Now if you had a motor built to 450hp, you are going to have a nice build sheet. Yet he tells us about a MSP ignition and Sanderson headers? Personally, with a build sheet capable of 450hp, I'd quote better products than an ignition nobody has heard of, and headers that suck. In fact, even with no name products, I'd quote the ones worth more than $30 and $200. Maybe the $1500 heads that it takes to flow 450hp worth of air? Or the $400 cam? Or the $2000 block?
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Here maybe this will help.
The person who BUILT the car ALWAYS displayed his "build book" which had all the documentation at every car show. His family now has the book.
Archie only sold the car thru his shop/website as a favor to the family AFTER Rich passed on. The information on Archie's website was the basic items listed for the engine NOT the build sheet. You would have had to have been at one of the many, many shows he attended to see the book.
The website's I posted were to show the type of person the owner/builder was since he passed away in 1999.
Archie doesn't have the documentation the Warber family does. Now, What part do you not understand? Do you really think his family is going to come on here and post "proof" because some idiot wants it? As for your 55 Bel Air, How come you have many pics of your Fiero (which DOESN"T have a DOHC engine in it.) and your Lumina, But only a pic of the engine in the 55?
I doubt you built it. I doubt you even have a 55. Why don't you take a pic of the Fiero next to the 55? In all your phtobucket pics there isn't a 55 in any of the backgrounds. As for your "Technical Background", All anyone needs to do is read your posts in the Tech area of either forum to know how little you really know.
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AaronZ34
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DEC 14, 09:53 PM
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Not much else to say other than I stand corrected on his engine. But I still want to see the dyno sheet, but that is just for my own personal curiosity. With the parts he posted, 450 sounds reasonable. And about respecting my elders. I will respect whomever I want to, whether they be elder or not, and you have no place telling me whom I should and should not respect. For the record, I respect the hundreds of thousands of men who had to dive off of a landing craft at water greater than 25 foot depth, overloaded for swimming, and face hundreds of machine guns each capable of firing over 1000 rounds a minute. These men risked their lives so that this Earth could be rid of scumbags like Hitler. That is who I respect, not some guy that was able to pour thousands of dollars into an 80s Pontiac. I respect the work, and am glad he found a positive source for his funds and time, but that doesn't make him a respectable person in my eyes. It just seems to me that every TPI Fiero I see is claiming 350-500hp with parts not capable of doing so. Now with you being the primary provider of V8 swaps, I guess I just figured most TPI owners used your kit, and made up horsepower numbers. I apologize for blaming you for this, but you certainly don't deny it. As for my Dad and I's 55, let me say this. My family has a lot of cars I don't share. I share MY cars, the cars I pay for, I pay to support, and I pay for every part on them. Some cars we have/had that I never even took one pic of. And if you knew, we still have a Lumina Z34. Care to count the pics of it? They are few, very few. My Dad drives it, and it is his car. I took a couple videos, and took a dyno, but don't care to post a bunch of pics of it. I can answer pretty much any questions you have on the 55 though. We recently sold our 1968 Camaro which we restored in order to get this project. Here is the pic of the 200ft marks the 55 left right in front of my house: 
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AaronZ34
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DEC 14, 09:56 PM
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Oh, and by the way, you didn't look hard enough:
To the left side of my old Z34 you can clearly see the 55's headlight and roof. [This message has been edited by AaronZ34 (edited 12-14-2005).]
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