Beware of Loyde at FastFieros (Page 8/13)
Cliff Pennock DEC 06, 04:22 AM
Actually, I'll move it to the Trash Can and close this one instead.
Darth Fiero DEC 06, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

Actually, I'll move it to the Trash Can and close this one instead.


Thanks for reopening this thread in the TC because I do want to make a big correction. I accused Loyde of contacting the people who I just bought my OBDII tuning software from in (what I perceived was) an appearant attempt to stir up trouble and get my software license revoked. I just found out 1 hour ago this was not true, allow me to explain: This afternoon, sortly after Loyde's posts to this thread I was contacted via email by the tuning software people asking me some strange questions. I just learned from those people that this email timing was purely coincedence and had nothing to do with Loyde. Again, I apologize to him for my mistake.

As for this thread. I realize now that posting it was a mistake. One only needs to go back and look at all the other threads that started out with someone posting about a bad experience they had with a particular vendor. Most of those threads turned into flame wars because there are people on both sides of the arguement (that know nothing about what happened and probably don't care) that were just in the fight to support their guy. I thought that posting this thread would help the PFF community and might help someone improve their customer relations. Well, it isn't my place to tell Loyde or anybody how to conduct their business. At this point, as far as I am concerned they can do what they want because I don't care anymore. Let this be a lesson to everyone here in PFF that if you think you got burned by a vendor, don't bother posting anything about it because it will just end up going up in flames. Again, I apologize to the PFF community for starting this thread based on an impulsive reaction to insults and nasty phone messages amoung other things.

As far as me and Loyde? Well I sent him an email proposing a truce in that I would agree to never mention his name again negatively, publically or privately so long as he agreed to do the same. Undoubtedly this thread has done no good for either me nor Loyde so here is where it belongs.

MstangsBware DEC 06, 05:23 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Fiero:


Undoubtedly this thread has done no good for either me nor Loyde so here is where it belongs.


May not have done anything for you or Lyode but man it got me 29 more ratings(proablly not a good thing) from what I posted in it. That aint to bad in my book. I know I said I wasnt going to post in this thread again but I am bored at work and the last few hours are dragging. Hopefully everything works out and a truce can be made.

MstangsBware DEC 06, 05:25 AM
ok

[This message has been edited by MstangsBware (edited 12-06-2004).]

FastFieros DEC 06, 10:36 AM
Well, I didnt want to respond to this thread again.

I wanted to downplay that crap about me putting DHP onto Ryan, but I decided instead to first fine out directly from DHP what Ryan was talking about.

Charles at DHP did not get online until 11pm central yesterday and this is when I found out what happen with Ryan...

Here is the emails between Ryan and Charles at DHP.....


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----- Original Message -----
From: darthfiero@worldnet.att.net
To: charlesbeyer
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: http://gmtuners.com/


thanks for clairifying. I apologize for this mess but shortly after that webforum situation got started between me and Loyde I started getting a lot of suspicious emails from people asking some weird questions about tuning and what-not. Again, thanks for clearing that up for me, I thought he had emailed you in an attempt to stur up some trouble. Thanks for the heads-up and again I apologize if I inadvertently put you in the middle of this.

-ryan
----- Original Message -----
From: charlesbeyer
To: darthfiero@worldnet.att.net
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: http://gmtuners.com/


Ryan,

I need to clarify something. He *NEVER* bothered me to get at you. *I* saw a post in regards to 93-94 Chip tuning in the 88 - 96 section on clubgp grand prix. I saw the link to gmtuners.com and then when i checked out the "contact us" email I saw that it was for .. darthfiero@att.net I also noticed the reference to series II PCM programming (and missed the part about "see restrictions") and I got a little PO'd and dropped you the email. At NO time did Loyde email me about this before I emailed you.

I *DID* get an eamil from loyde later on in the day in regards to some post I guess you made on a webforum accusing him of ratting you to me, but that is not at all the reality......

I hope that clarifies a bit.

thanks

charles
----- Original Message -----
From: darthfiero@worldnet.att.net
To: charlesbeyer
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: http://gmtuners.com/


Its ok. There is some bad blood between me and Loyde right now because I had him do some tuning for a swap that I just got done with and there were some problems with what went on and how he conducted himself from a business standpoint. Anyway I don't want to drag you into this because it has nothing to do with DHP. I am sorry he bothered you in an attempt to get at me.

again, thanks for your understanding and help.

-ryan
----- Original Message -----
From: charlesbeyer
To: darthfiero@worldnet.att.net
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: http://gmtuners.com/


Ryan,

Whoa Whoa...

I saw the linjk from clubgp in the 94 - 96 section ? I DID NOT see the note on the swap limitation, hence my second email to you today.

Loyde has never said ANYTHING to me about this. I saw the linjk this morning while browsing clubgp.

Sorry about freaking out but the first page made it look like you were offering general series ii tuning.

Charles.
----- Original Message -----
From: darthfiero@worldnet.att.net
To: charlesbeyer
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: http://gmtuners.com/


I see Loyde Rascoe from FastFieros has tried telling you lies. I talked to you about this. It says plainly on my website that I only offer programming for swap vehicles, and even then there are restrictions. Something I agreed I would do since I did not purchase your "shop" license. I don't know why he is trying to pull this crap but this is very unprofessional on his part.

-ryan gick
----- Original Message -----
From: charlesbeyer
To: charlesbeyer ; darthfiero@att.net
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: http://gmtuners.com/


oh ..... i see there are restrictions on teh series ii stuff ??? is that what we were talking about before ? Someone just linked me and I was typing as I read. hehe


----- Original Message -----
From: charlesbeyer
To: darthfiero@att.net
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: http://gmtuners.com/


I thought you were not going to be offering mail order pcm reprogramming services for series ii 3800 ???

??


As you can see, Ryan is the person with the shady and questionable business practices here on PFF.

Then here is Ryan's apology to me....


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Loyde, I wanted to apologize for accusing you of trying to get my DHP software license revoked. Charles emailed me and explained what happened with his emailings to me.

Anyway about the thread. I want you to understand that I posted that in response of your nasty emails and phone message, and the tone you took with my fiance when you talked to her on the phone. However, I gave you several opportunites to just drop the matter but you kept going so understand the PFF post was the result of your actions. I will accept some responsibilty for starting that thread but that is how I respond to the kind of emails you were sending me. Calling me a theif of the fiero community was uncalled for and disrespectful. Asking my fiance about our personal life was also uncalled for and immoral. Those are the TWO major reasons why I started the PFF thread.

I offer a truce to you with these stipulations:

I will no longer say anything negatively to anyone about you, publically or privately so long as you agree to the same terms. You know I am an honest person and keep my word. I expect you to do the same.

-ryan

I am not suppose to tell people what this indivdual did in a very public forum I have never had a problem with?

Good Day !

Loyde

DL10 DEC 06, 11:45 AM
Loyde

Please let us know if you get your 2 PCM back from Ryan, or if he holds them hostage until you send him shipping money. I uasally don't get involved in this type of post but this one really set me off.
The 2 things that Rayn did that I felt were totally wrong was first he tried to get people to think you had made so out of place comments to his fiance, when all you did was ask her if they were married or not. then once again without any proof to back it up he was accusing you of trying to get his DHP software license revoked.

and Ryan I really don't need another PM or e-mail telling me what I should do or not do.....thanks

[This message has been edited by DL10 (edited 12-06-2004).]

Kohburn DEC 06, 01:26 PM
well after reading all th eupdates It all seems so innocent
loyde may not have been as forthcoming about programming - but ryan may have expected too much
loyde may have been getting frustrated that he was having to keep reprogramming - but ryan was driving long distance to reinstall each time
there was some miscommunication and misunderstandings on both ends
both are upset
ryan appologized for his false accusation

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both of you guys are assets to the fiero community and have helped many people
neither has done anything really wrong other than the basic HUMAN error
can't you both just let it go and move on - ?

Darth Fiero DEC 06, 01:34 PM
Yea I apologized and offered a truce and somehow Loyde got ahold of MY PRIVATE EMAILS to someone else and posted them on a PUBLIC FORUM. Who has the shady business practices now? Nice play Loyde, it really shows how much of a man you are. I offer my apology and a truce and you turn around and pull this crap. What gives you the RIGHT to post emails between me and someone ELSE in a public forum? I didn't do that to you.
donk316 DEC 06, 01:43 PM
1st - Cliff recieving numerous emails and PMs regarding this thread is very sad... what a bunch of crybabies

2nd - Archie is a overpriced self proclaimed primadonna who is out of touch with reality and needs to stop trolling

thats it...everything else is fine....Darth and Lloyd can sort this out between them.

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Cliff Pennock DEC 06, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by donk316:

1st - Cliff recieving numerous emails and PMs regarding this thread is very sad... what a bunch of crybabies


Not as sad as trying to get banned just to "belong" to a certain group of people.