If you do drop off here after its all said and done, be sure to at least keep in touch with some of us, we will miss ya around here, even if you dont think that will be the case.
As I, too, would hope, but I also hope all this will be unnecessary when things cool down.
Nurb432
AUG 05, 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
As I, too, would hope, but I also hope all this will be unnecessary when things cool down.
I don't expect to get a 2nd thought when i finally disappear, but he will be missed by many. Hes a good guy.
Nurb432
AUG 05, 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by fierofetish:
If I ever DO get to come to America, I will want to meet so many people from here, I'd better make it a year-long stay
Will be a bunch of us here in town next summer at the track... hint hint
katore8105
AUG 05, 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by cliffw:
That would be the political definition of censorship. Any time you are not allowed to post, any time you are restricted to how or when you post, is censorship.
Sure is! There is a list of Censorship Stickied at the top of each Forum. You know, Like swear words, forum Etiquette, guides of what topic of discussion is appropriate for each forum, in fact these censorships are in part designed to avoid exactly what this thread is all about. So what if he censors where he allows political conversations on his CAR FORUM?
What do you think this is? Hate to tell you but The Constitution of the USA holds no control over an International Forum or by the person that pays for a service he allows other people to use. In Fact, isn't the owner of this site from Europe? Cliff never said anywhere that he wont Censor someone who can't behave or direct certain conversation away from the purpose of a section. There is also nothing saying that he can't change the direction of T/OT away from Politics. The only Question is would he want to invest even more time into wiping up messes of people that can't behave.
If you have a problem with Censorship on a car Forum, I would just stop posting now.
Oh yeah and by your definition, The frequency of posting here is also censored. It's called flood control. So yes, this Forum is "Censored" by every method by your definition.
But to define Censor: cen·sor [sen-ser] Show IPA noun 1. an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc., for the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds. 2. any person who supervises the manners or morality of others. 3. an adverse critic; faultfinder. 4. (in the ancient Roman republic) either of two officials who kept the register or census of the citizens, awarded public contracts, and supervised manners and morals. 5. (in early Freudian dream theory) the force that represses ideas, impulses, and feelings, and prevents them from entering consciousness in their original, undisguised forms. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censor
cen·sor·ship [sen-ser-ship] Show IPA noun 1. the act or practice of censoring. 2. the office or power of a censor. 3. the time during which a censor holds office. 4. the inhibiting and distorting activity of the Freudian censor. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censorship
Lastly, there is only one definition of anything. "Political Definition" makes no sense unless it is ones personal interpretation or a politician making up more BS.
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theBDub
AUG 05, 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Have you ever called someone something here that you wouldn't to their face? Or spoke to them in a way differently then you would if in person?
P.S. After some self-examination, I would say that I have atleast expressed some things in a way I wish I would have said differently. That is to say I have expressed some opinions here a touch differently then I would have had it been in person. I also think I probibly would have been a bit kinder in my presentation, to a stranger.
But we ain't exactly strangers around here, are we?! I wonder if we are harder/expect more from family/friends in the POLITE communication of ideas then we are/do of strangers?
No. I have regretted things I've said but I would have said it all in real life.
WhiteDevil88
AUG 05, 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by fierofetish:
And so too do I. I have asked Cliff to block me, and delete my membership. ... I had one blot on my record, for which I have apologised twice now. THAT episode, and that person, is in NO WAY responsible for my decision. My apology was sincere, and I HOPE it was accepted as such. If not, I can do nothing about it.
if you want Cliff to ban you, I can't think of anyone with more experience then myself. I can see Cliff banning you. I have a strange feeling that he doesn't care much for your actions on his forum. I suspect that his latency in getting it done is due to Cliff possibly going on holiday. Same reason why Tony Kania didn't get probation for telling the forum to "suck his gigantic dick". Since Cliff is a fair and equitable person, his actions would be the same for different people. I know that when I lost use of my initial user ID, it was immediately after I had PMd the members in my mailbox that I felt might miss me my contact information. I felt that was a less disruptive choice then announcing in the public forum thatI was sick of the nastiness and bullying of members. Apparently the Netherlands is in Bizarro World from me, because the PMs had me banned within 24 hours. Try that. Just go away quietly and maybe let 20 or 30 of your closest "friends" know discreetly how they can contact you.
Regarding your "one blot", I suppose that you don't remember all of the negative karma that you sent my way after GTDude passed away? You are among the reasons why I left in the first place, along with many others who just never bothered to come back after you berated them. I may be the only "blot" that your old brain can remember now, but that may be because I'm the only one who called you on your BS.
I hope that you enjoy your self imposed exile. Good luck on getting Cliff to ban you. I'm sure that your time could be applied far more productively to any one of your many skills and hobbies then to the Internet.
------------------ stimpy
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Originally posted by fierobear:
Here's a hint for you...don't believe everything you THINK.
Tony Kania
AUG 05, 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
. Same reason why Tony Kania didn't get probation for telling the forum to "suck his gigantic dick".
Um, no. My statement was made to a specific forum member. Once again, the twisting of words. Nowhere in my statements did I ever tell the forum....Or, better yet, antuzzi threatening my life, and that of my family? Now, there is something to bring up. Why does one get a pass on something so serious, but another member's words hold so strong?
Now, back on track...
Everything that I have ever said here, would be said directly to the face of those that I said it to. Everything. From kindness, to hate. It would be, and has been said. As a matter of fact, I would be much more stern in person during a confrontation than on the other end of a keyboard. While typing, I can edit. While talking, I cannot. Also, my voice CARRIES.
Tony
Edit: I do want to add...
Even if I had a bad experience with a member, that experience can be talked out. Not always, but the possibility is definately there.
Edit: Real classy. I post my email, and seven minutes later I get over 15 spams from a mailing list. I have a very good idea just who the snake is. You are a sick individual. Whoever you are. Talking about forum rules. So much good here, but also so much hate by several members. Just sick. Still pouring in. Up to 22 now. Child.
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Tony Kania
AUG 05, 04:28 PM
insta bump...
KANIA
Nurb432
AUG 05, 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
if you want Cliff to ban you, I can't think of anyone with more experience then myself. I can see Cliff banning you. I have a strange feeling that he doesn't care much for your actions on his forum. I suspect that his latency in getting it done is due to Cliff possibly going on holiday.
I think you are talking of someone else. FF is a good guy and doesn't have a reason to be banned ( other then his request of course )
Nurb432
AUG 05, 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:
Edit: Real classy. I post my email, and seven minutes later I get over 15 spams from a mailing list. I have a very good idea just who the snake is. You are a sick individual. Whoever you are. Talking about forum rules. So much good here, but also so much hate by several members. Just sick. Still pouring in. Up to 22 now. Child.
I missed the email addy posting, but if you did it on open forum don't forget there are 10's of thousands of bots that run around looking for emails to harvest too...
Nowhere in my statements did I ever tell the forum....Or, better yet, antuzzi threatening my life, and that of my family? Now, there is something to bring up. Why does one get a pass on something so serious, but another member's words hold so strong? 
I have a very good idea just who the snake is. You are a sick individual. Whoever you are. Talking about forum rules. So much good here, but also so much hate by several members. 
Just sick. Still pouring in. Up to 22 now. Child.