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BobadooFunk
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MAY 29, 07:01 PM
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"Garried?"
i like the new word and same rights idea the best.
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frontal lobe
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MAY 29, 07:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
Clarify this for me. Is the god in the bible real or not? Why would you use the god in the bible as a justification for gay love to be unnatural? Can you quote exactly where god said this?
I understand what you are saying. You saying that you value the god in the bible to dictate what is and isn't unnatural for despite what actual nature tells you. Thats fine but you better be willing to accept confrontation when you use such statements . You obviously aren't. You really can't defend your position. But when you ride on faith you don't have to. And I'm not wrong when I say the god in the bible said nothing. |
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Phranc,
I'll answer just because you asked, not because I'm trying to convince you.
Is the God in the bible real?
A. yes
Can you quote exactly where god said this?
A. Romans 1:26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
You saying that you value the god in the bible to dictate what is and isn't unnatural for despite what actual nature tells you.
A. Elsewhere in the bible it says that God created everything, so He would logically get to dictate what is natural as creator of it. Regarding actual observation of nature, I'm not sure to what you are referring but I'm not asking you to say what that is.
Thats fine but you better be willing to accept confrontation when you use such statements . You obviously aren't. You really can't defend your position.
A. Phranc, it should be obvious to you or any objective observer that I am more than willing to accept confrontation. Why would you even say that? I think it is clear from this thread that I have accepted the confrontation and patiently tried to defend the position and explain the basis from which I'm defending it.
I never said you should accept it as true. But just because you don't, it doesn't mean I didn't defend my position or answer. I never said you shouldn't confront or challenge it. I never denigrated you for not thinking about it or seeing it like I do. I never called you a name nor insulted you. I never belittled your viewpoint.
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Jake_Dragon
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MAY 29, 07:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
If that is the failure of an argument you want to use go right ahead. |
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I am just stating facts that I believe, when its no longer fun I will leave. You are free to believe as you do.
So if not religion what keeps you from killing these freaks?
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/065726.html
Honest question because I believe that they will get judged in more ways than man is capable. If I didn't then I would be waiting out side of the court house.
What does someone with no faith in a higher being believe in that keeps them from acting out as an animal and killing these scum bags?
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avengador1
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MAY 29, 07:17 PM
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| quote | | Stop trying to equate your relationship with marriage. |
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What relationship would that be? FYI my wife and myself are Roman Catholic and neither of us feel that gays getting married is something that is wrong, as long as it isn't in the church. Our church does not recognize this union, won't perform this union, we won't ask them to do so, and that is fine with us. I also know that this sounds hypocritical, but we feel a state sanctioned wedding would be alright, if they get all the same rights my wife and I enjoy as a couple. This is happening now in several states and more will soon follow.
We also don't see ourselves having sex with a partner of the same sex, one fo the opposite sex, animals, nor anyone, except each other. We made this bow to each other when we got married. That is why we don't care, need to care, or even have to think about what everyone else chooses to do. That is their choice and freedom, not ours. We have made our choice and live with it. Fortunately it has been a good one for both of us.
Let's face the facts. You don't want to recognize that gays can marry in several states now and you wish it was none. Gays that get married in those states have the same rights straight couples get when they marry, not some watered down version a civil union would give them. It just isn't the same.
Again I ask, who gets hurt from this? Eventually all states will recognize and allow gay weddings. Is it really something that terrible?
Even if my church says it is a sin, it also says that we have to forgive them for their sins. I can live with that. I choose not to judge, because only God has the last word and judgement. Judge not less ye be judged.[This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 05-29-2009).]
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Carver1
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MAY 29, 07:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
He? Would that be the fake god of the bible? |
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There is no help for you unless God steps in and shows you the way. You may chose to ignore it, or maybe already have. That is the beauty of humanity. Free will. God's forgiveness is eternal, and it's FREE. The best thing you could ever receive cost absolutely nothing. It has already been paid in full.
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fierobear
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MAY 29, 08:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Nope the God of man. I said he loves you, vote is still out for the rest of us  |
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Great bumper sticker: Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an a$$hole.
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MAY 29, 10:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
What relationship would that be?
Let's face the facts. You don't want to recognize that gays can marry in several states now and you wish it was none. Gays that get married in those states have the same rights straight couples get when they marry, not some watered down version a civil union would give them. It just isn't the same.
Again I ask, who gets hurt from this? Eventually all states will recognize and allow gay weddings. Is it really something that terrible?
Even if my church says it is a sin, it also says that we have to forgive them for their sins. I can live with that. I choose not to judge, because only God has the last word and judgement. Judge not less ye be judged.
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When I said "your" relationship, I wasn't referring to you and your wife.
Regarding facing facts, yeah, I never denied it. I didn't want ANY states to recognize gay MARRIAGE, since it is non-sensical according to the definition and it can't exist. If a civil union doesn't give them the same civil rights, those states certainly could have legislated to correct that. They didn't have to create a law for "gay marriage" to solve that.
Your church may say you have to forgive them for their sins, but your church's bible doesn't. It says homosexuals have a responsibility to repent, which means to agree with God that something is wrong, and then THEY have to take the responsibility to ask God, not the church, to forgive them. Yeah, just like I have to do my mine.
Regarding judging them, there are two senses of the word judge.
I am judging in the sense of DISCERNING whether what they are doing is ok with the God of the bible. The answer is no. Not because anyone asked me. Not because of what any church says. Because I can read what it plainly says.
I do not judge them in the sense of pronouncing condemnation on them. That isn't my job. It is my job to be kind and neighborly and helpful and friendly. So I and my church don't have to forgive them. Because they don't offend ME.
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Gecko
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MAY 29, 10:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
Isn't it about a "spouse" being allowed to rape the "husband's" assets?
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Yes. its childish I know, but sometimes I just can't help myself.
| quote | Originally posted by CoryFiero:
Who gets hurt if I marry my dog?
Who gets hurt if I marry my sister?
Who gets hurt if I marry six women?
Who gets hurt if I marry 2 men and 4 women?
Who gets hurt if I marry a lizard?
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You would probably hurt the dog, probably hurt your sister, 6 women would definitely hurt you, 2 men, 4 women.....you still get hurt. and finally. Leave me out of it.
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Patrick's Dad
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MAY 29, 10:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
I am just stating facts that I believe, when its no longer fun I will leave. You are free to believe as you do.
So if not religion what keeps you from killing these freaks?
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/065726.html
Honest question because I believe that they will get judged in more ways than man is capable. If I didn't then I would be waiting out side of the court house.
What does someone with no faith in a higher being believe in that keeps them from acting out as an animal and killing these scum bags? |
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Let's keep in mind that, within my lifetime, we would have said the same thing about homosexuality. Universally. Even psychological texts called homosexuality a deviant behavior. Now, with decades of "education" in the media, the schools and elsewhere, what less than 2% of the population does defines them as a person.
It is conceivable, then, that the subject of the referenced thread could become "normal" in another few decades, and those people, whether in the US or Canada, are protected against speech calling them "scum bags." That's what NAMBLA is all about. Men marrying young boys. If the men love the young boys, and the young boys love the men, who does it hurt?
Sounds disgusting? Sure does to me; I have two boys (and two girls, too). But is it inconceivable that the legal precedents set by Massachusetts, Vermont, et al could be a stepping stone to this? I hope not, but I believe so.
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Slayre
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MAY 29, 11:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
sorry but like a lot of rightwing dogma that just is not true
I think gays are born not made that way by choice
I do believe in free will but some things are beyond control or choice
BTW pork is banned in the bible
but I see no christians burning down pig farms or bar-b-que place
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Nope, We don't need to.But this isnt about pigs and and Bar-b-que either.[This message has been edited by Slayre (edited 05-29-2009).]
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