Real Fiero Tech - False claim of independence being declared (Page 7/18) Fastback 86 MAR 15, 09:35 PM And you're point is what, exactly? Do you think you're some kind of martyr? You're not telling anyone here anything they didn't already know about RFT, all of this has been extensively covered in the past. Once again, you're posting nothing of any value on the Fiero forums. Stop wasting bandwidth. I'm Back MAR 15, 09:45 PM quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: And you're point is what, exactly? Do you think you're some kind of martyr? You're not telling anyone here anything they didn't already know about RFT, all of this has been extensively covered in the past. Once again, you're posting nothing of any value on the Fiero forums. Stop wasting bandwidth. If you actually read the posts you would see that I stated I haven't been here for years as I recall it, I had 3 PM's from 04. SO I didn't know that the misrepresented, deceptive waste we call RFT has been discussed here or more specifically, the sole purpose for its (RFT's) inception; to emancipate from the so-called horrible oppression over here and start a sanctuary, was that discussed? Was it discussed that they ban as well as PFF and other forums and this "Independence" was a fraud? Or was it just discussed that the average mentality over there is about 15YO? Or was it discussed that there is nothing of value to be had in RFT, not even sanctuary from banning as advertised? See, just saying this has been discussed is too broad, not to mention I would have no way of knowing. To Howard: You lost your way, bro. crzyone MAR 15, 09:51 PM quote Originally posted by I'm Back: If this forum knows what's good for it, you will be gone in a few days. I'm Back MAR 15, 09:59 PM quote Originally posted by crzyone: If this forum knows what's good for it, you will be gone in a few days. I sure will, I'm here to let all know that this independence claim is a lie, then I'm done. I'm not here to insult or aggravate, just to pass on that they ban, unlike the essence of their claim and slogan. If I wanted to check in to stay I would have made that plea with a different appraoch. I could also get a new ISP for free and have a new username after deleting my cookies; I could do that at RFT and PFF. I'm not going to, I don't fit in either place other than to use tech advice, I have no plans to hang around, I just want PFFers to understand the fraud that RFT has advertised. This place knows what is good for it and I am not here to harm or change that, if anything, enhance it by letting them know the other alternative is falsely advertising. Regards Fastback 86 MAR 15, 09:59 PM quote Originally posted by I'm Back: If you actually read the posts you would see that I stated I haven't been here for years as I recall it, I had 3 PM's from 04. SO I didn't know that the misrepresented, deceptive waste we call RFT has been discussed here or more specifically, the sole purpose for its (RFT's) inception; to emancipate from the so-called horrible oppression over here and start a sanctuary, was that discussed? Was it discussed that they ban as well as PFF and other forums and this "Independence" was a fraud? Or was it just discussed that the average mentality over there is about 15YO? Or was it discussed that there is nothing of value to be had in RFT, not even sanctuary from banning as advertised? See, just saying this has been discussed is too broad, not to mention I would have no way of knowing. To Howard: You lost your way, bro. Do you really think that RFT's existence went unnoticed while you were gone? A simple search would've saved you a lot of time. I'm Back MAR 15, 10:04 PM quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: Do you really think that RFT's existence went unnoticed while you were gone? A simple search would've saved you a lot of time. I really didn't think about it. As a guess, I would say that the maturity level was probably recognized, but was the falsity by which they claim to be independent from some of the moderation, the voting process? I doubt it was fully understood here, but if it wasn't, it is now. It's the truth, it will set you free. Fastback 86 MAR 15, 10:04 PM quote Originally posted by I'm Back: I sure will, I'm here to let all know that this independence claim is a lie, then I'm done. I'm not here to insult or aggravate, just to pass on that they ban, unlike the essence of their claim and slogan. If I wanted to check in to stay I would have made that plea with a different appraoch. I could also get a new ISP for free and have a new username after deleting my cookies; I could do that at RFT and PFF. I'm not going to, I don't fit in either place other than to use tech advice, I have no plans to hang around, I just want PFFers to understand the fraud that RFT has advertised. This place knows what is good for it and I am not here to harm or change that, if anything, enhance it by letting them know the other alternative is falsely advertising. Regards Call it what you want, but what you should take away from this is that people in the Fiero community find you so monumentally irritating that they'll not only ban you here but on RFT as well, a forum that was built on the idea of no bans. That's how much of a problem you are, you actually managed to get banned from a forum that doesn't do it. Here's a thought: it's not us, it's you. crzyone MAR 15, 10:21 PM quote Originally posted by I'm Back: just to pass on that they ban A lot of us have a desire to ban you, but lack the power to do so (lucky for you). You are a special case. You have absolutly 0 interest in cars. You are on the forums to talk politics. You don't contribute to either forum in any way shape or form. You are the definition of Troll. In case you have not caught on, nobody likes you, move along. Why don't you go join a political forum and argue with those guys? For once in your life you would actually be surrounded by like minded people. I'm Back MAR 15, 10:22 PM quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: Call it what you want, but what you should take away from this is that people in the Fiero community find you so monumentally irritating that they'll not only ban you here but on RFT as well, a forum that was built on the idea of no bans. That's how much of a problem you are, you actually managed to get banned from a forum that doesn't do it. Here's a thought: it's not us, it's you. You can shift this to me, but many have been banned on PFF, so some went to start RFT claiming to not be critical of what is said or what affiliations people have, as they claimed PFF was about that. Then they became that way. See, this is about RFT's reaction and violation of their own tenants, not me. Some of them behaved like I can and do and were kicked off PFF, so they wanted a change only to come full-circle and be what they claimed they wanted to avoid. Ironic, isn't it? Actually more like typical. I could give examples, but then I would have to bring in politics and that is so unlike me . Oh, so you are on PFF calling yourself us as in RFT? So now you again admit RFT was formed on the premise of no-ban? You admitted that originally, denied it, now you're admitting it again. Of course RFT was established under that tenant; they behave like me, got banned from RFT, wanted to talk Fieros their way and not be banned, so they established RFT and then became closer to what they claim they hated about PFF. But you want to say it's all me. I guess I could open a junior forum to RFT and make the same claims, then kick out people who don't match my protocol. See, it's like sifting sand thru a loose mesh, you always end up the way you started. RFT owes Cliff an apology for several reasons, foremost of which is denouncing his protocol, claiming his forum is too oppressive and then becoming that very thing by their definition, all the while, they still today make fun of Cliff for his moderation. Hey Howard, check this out: REAL FIERO TECH: Hypocrisy has been Declared Fastback 86 MAR 15, 10:26 PM quote Originally posted by I'm Back: You can shift this to me, but many have been banned on PFF, so some went to start RFT claiming to not be critical of what is said or what affiliations people have, as they claimed PFF was about that. Then they became that way. See, this is about RFT's reaction and violation of their own tenants, not me. Some of them behaved like I can and do and were kicked off PFF, so they wanted a change only to come full-circle and be what they claimed they wanted to avoid. Ironic, isn't it? Actually more like typical. I could give examples, but then I would have to bring in politics and that is so unlike me . Oh, so you are on PFF calling yourself us as in RFT? So now you again admit RFT was formed on the premise of no-ban? You admitted that originally, denied it, now you're admitting it again. Of course RFT was established under that tenant; they behave like me, got banned from RFT, wanted to talk Fieros their way and not be banned, so they established RFT and then became closer to what they claim they hated about PFF. But you want to say it's all me. I guess I could open a junior forum to RFT and make the same claims, then kick out people who don't match my protocol. See, it's like sifting sand thru a loose mesh, you always end up the way you started. RFT owes Cliff an apology for several reasons, foremost of which is denouncing his protocol, claiming his forum is too oppressive and then becoming that very thing by their definition, all the while, they still today make fun of Cliff for his moderation. Hey Howard, check this out: REAL FIERO TECH: Hypocrisy has been Declared And what? You still haven't said what you're trying to accomplish. You're "shedding light" on something everyone already knows. And guess what? No one cares. WE all dislike you so much that we're willing to forgive RFT's hypocrisy in your case. You can try to equate me with RFT all you like, but no amount of twisting is going to change anyone's opinion of you. Just go away.