Sorry but i gotta ask, whats the story with Archie and Cletus? (Page 7/20)
summerjim JAN 08, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by California Kid:
Dyno's are subjective testing



Far less subjective than making guesses though. If you provided dyno results of 340hp instead of 350hp, I'd be happy to cut you some slack. Even if you posted 325hp, I'd cut you some slack on that too. But this isn't the point. Seems you can't see the forest through the trees on this one.
Saxman JAN 08, 09:00 PM
I think mine has like ... a thousand horspower, or something like that.
Jake_Dragon JAN 08, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Saxman:

I think mine has like ... a thousand horspower, or something like that.



Pffft if yours has that then mine must have two thousand. I know because my air filter is bigger.
Fino JAN 08, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Saxman:

I think mine has like ... a thousand horspower, or something like that.




I was going to take you up on that trade:
"OK - I'll do you a favor, Ed. I'll trade my V8 Fino for your V6 Fino."

But not now after hearing you only have ONE thousand horspower I would be losing over 600 HP in the trade.

No way.

Ed

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thismanyfieros JAN 08, 11:52 PM
we all have had a coversation with that one twit who is running a beat up POS grocery getter who claims unbelieveable numbers and who makes nothing but excuses when you say ok lets go....the proof is in the pudding...put up or shut up if you like..or smile and walk away...its your car as long as your happy isnt that all that really matters???? just a thought...tim
jstricker JAN 09, 12:07 AM
Yeah, but your car will still be an ugly color, Ed.

(I can say that because Ed and I built our cars, his Fino and our Finale, the same time, without collaborating on the color and when we showed up and met at the 20th for the first time, our cars had nearly identical paint.)

BTW, I think the 4.9 sounds as good as a SBC and I've never had anyone compare it to a SBC at shows. They just look in and say "man, that thing looks like it belongs there". To me, that's the ultimate compliment. (But it will never have the power potential of a SBC)

John Stricker

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Originally posted by Fino:


How true .......HOW TRUE!!! Right or wrong .....it .....is .......TRUE.

I do like the *&^%&* SOUND of a SBC.
Ed
jscott1 JAN 09, 12:32 AM
That twit has now taken to spamming any all Youtube videos involving a Fiero he doesn't like. Luckily the delete key is still in effect.

nfswift JAN 09, 01:15 AM
I'm a V6 man when it comes to Fieros and always will be, but I know my fair share about SBCs, and when I hear a swapper claim 350hp etc I'll just give them the benefit of the doubt, half of them are just happy optimistic guys that are ecstatic that they got such a great engine shoe-horned into their car, why should I %*( all over them for that? Those hp numbers are made every 30 seconds by some builder somewhere, so it's not like its unrealistic, so I just decide not make a big fuss about every little thing on a forum...

If they are a cocky SOB and are bragging and throwing down challenges about it, it means I'll just be happy in the knowledge that John Smith with his stage 1 mopar'd SRT-4 will be walking this guys "killer Fiero" all day long, but that doesn't mean every swapper is gonna be that aggravating.

I guess I'm just part of that crowd that doesn't believe specifics are that important unless you are a die hard track racer... everybody keeps forgetting, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A CAR FASTER THAN YOURS... so just enjoy yours and get along with the great crowd of tinkerers that enjoy Fieros too! You'll get WAY more out of socializing that way instead of compulsive comparing and competing.

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Fiero5 JAN 09, 01:37 AM
Pick up any car magazine and what is one of the most common stats you see inside the mag besides the color of the car, style of rims and the type of engine? It's not only HP numbers but 0-60 numbers. And how do you get 0-60 and/or HP numbers?
It seems from every past thread on this subject that most of the Fiero owners on here who swap engines, especially the V8 owners, suddenly have all kinds of excuses as to why they don't feel the need to get verifiable 0-60 numbers or even have the car on a dyno.
There is a difference between reasons and excuses. A reason you don't know your 0-60 or HP or choose not to know is that maybe you are not near a track or near a place that dyno's. Maybe as Jake said, you simply love the car and don't need to or care about numbers. I will be the first to say no problem, thats fine... if thats where it ends. After all, it is your car.
What makes this so interesting and going beyond just reasons to excuses is the fact that most of these owners don't leave it at that, as they then at some point talk up and rave on how great getting a V8 swap is. They talk about how better the performance is and how better the HP is. Thats great, and if that is the case then please tell us how much better the HP really is. HP and 0-60 after all can both be measured and verified right?
I remember mentioning a few years back on here that a few of my Fieros seemed faster than stock, but as they were pretty much stock it was logical for everyone to assume that since they were stock they had to have stock numbers. When I still felt they were faster I got skewered when I had no actual verifiable data to actually back up my "feeling".
Some of those same people who jumped on me back then have since made interesting claims about their own Fieros after having an engine swap and yet have provided no verifiable proof whats so ever.

I own a few Fieros and over the years I have always considered getting an engine swap in one of them. But I like to know as much as possible about anything I am going to spend money on. I want to know if I am getting the best bang for my buck as anyone does.
If I am buying a 4 banger Fiero, I already know what the 0-60 and HP specs are. Same with my V6 Fieros.
But if I want to consider a V8 swap, I want to know the specs, all the specs. But to do that I want to know some information.
I want to know what the numbers are going to be. For car lovers, cars with sporty engines and HP go together like a Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition and hot sexy babes.
Think of it this way, if you were looking to buy an air conditioner and wanted to know the different specs on each model based on your room size you wanted to cool, I bet you would think the salesperson was a total idiot if they said to you, "some of us don't care about BTU numbers".
For me at least, I want to know the BTU numbers since every air conditioner has a cooling capacity number ranging from 5,000 to 18,000 BTUs. The higher the BTU value, the stronger the air conditioner. Sound familiar?
If you walk into a car dealership looking to buy a sports car, what is one of the things most people want to know?
True, most people when looking to buy a car can do most of the research like looking up specs, 0-60, HP numbers, etc before even stepping one foot onto a car lot. But in the case of engine swapped Fieros, that is obviously a much more difficult thing to try and do.
I guess I would ask, would the HP numbers on a SBC engine stay the same after installed into a Fiero?

I will be the first to admit that at a car show or even just showing off to friends, seeing a well installed V8 in a Fiero looks very cool which is one of the reasons I am interested myself. It also gives the car a great rumbling sound which is hard to match with a lesser engine. But we all know that how a car looks and how it sounds can be very subjective. Saying your car is faster than or has better performance than should be more than subjective and can be easily proven as summerjim stated.
Now, I am not supporting anyone who trolls forums or youtube videos slamming others, I am only questioning the odd mentality that numbers are not important. If your buying a bicycle or a skate board.. no problem. When talking about cars and performance engine swaps, think again.
I have owned quite a few cars in my years and even recently purchased a low mileage 2001 Mustang convertible. Now I looked at a lot of Mustangs before choosing my rare yellow GT and one of the determining factors on the one I purchased was model (ie: engine) and knowing what it's performance (ie: 0-60, HP, etc) is.
To hear a car lover say "Some of us don't care about HP" is about as an odd a comment as hearing a guy say, "Some of us don't care about money". I guarantee you that anyone that hears that, their first thought is..."WTF?"
Of course this all just my personal opinion and observation.

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Fino JAN 09, 07:00 AM
This cletus guy and I don’t mean Archie; I wouldn’t call Archie that even if I were Pizzed at him. All this thread is doing is FEEDING his ego he doesn’t care if the attention is good or bad he doesn’t know the difference. This is just like kindling wood, fast and hot not like hard wood that is long lasting. I think since he is only .00001% of people that are just negative out there the best thing to do is just ignore him and don’t give him ANY attention at all. It is easer to “Block User” and “Remove” on utube that it is to type all that negative stuff cletus is saying. I see he has lots of aliases and I am not going to type any of them in on the thread so he knows whom I am talking about. If everyone keeps their Fiero V8 utube videos on the Internet and removes him he will finally pout and go away.

Don't write about him in a thread.
I say quit feeding the baby.


Ed