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dcfox
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JUL 21, 12:50 AM
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SuperchargedV6
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JUL 21, 01:25 AM
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I bet you did see it as it was traveled around in the Pontiac Motor Sports trailer by the builder Bob Birchmeir who owned DGP Diversified Glass Products. I have so much info on this car and have been working on getting it for two years now. I even found a T shirt with it on it and the Fiero emblem on the Pontiac Fiero emblem on the front. It is on page 86 of Gary Witzenburg's Fiero book and I have photos of it with the Pace car, Dole car and Goodwrench car to name a few.
It was given to Bob to build the street version of there race car. This was finagled as a purchase so it would keep its title and not be destroyed and Bob could do as he wanted. It traveled all over and is in allot of old magazines. It made two this year also and they remembered it from there magazines back them. . Rick
http://highperformanceponti...ionals/photo_03.html
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SuperchargedV6
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JUL 21, 01:30 AM
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I forgot to answer that this is the only one and first street wide body. There were a few others like the Car Craft Car but it was destroyed and differnt color and features. Any Pomtiac race cars bodies of that time frame and speacial cars were built by DGP. They also built the Iroc Z Camaros and Daytona bodies. Rick
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Scott-Wa
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JUL 21, 01:08 PM
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IMHO, stating it was for a Fiero GT narrows it down as being a Fiero GT wheel. Fits a Fiero would leave room to wonder, for a specific variation of a car model seems to mean it's a original part or replica, not something that fits the hole. Not that it's a bad looking wheel, the ad just read to me that you were selling a GT wheel, not a wheel that fits in a GT.
I suspect a rather large percentage of buyers wouldn't have even known the difference, especially if they started off with one of the other various wheels and didn't have something to compare it to. But someone wanting exactly what it seems like the ad was selling... I can understand their frustration. I think giving a refund would be the mark of a gentleman, but maybe a bit unusual in a world where "Sale Final, No Refund" screw the consumer is rampant.
I suspect neither party was trying to screw the other over, hopefully the wheel ends up in the hands of someone that wants it and everyone ends up happy once their feathers are unruffled.
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Cliff Pennock
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JUL 21, 03:47 PM
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I've followed this thread and feel I should throw my 2c in the basket.
I think the seller may have left a few things out of the description either knowingly or unknowingly but either way I don't think there was malicious intent. He may have exaggerated a bit what it actually is to get people's attention - you know, like calling someone with 114 all positives feedbacks on eBay who slightly misrepresented an item an "Ebay scammer". It happens.
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Deabionni
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JUL 21, 05:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Xanth:
I'm sorry, but this is pathetic. You paid for, and got, an almost new Fiero steering wheel, exactly as the ad says.
What you wanted was a NOS steering wheel.
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It sounds like you were looking for, and expecting a OEM NOS steering wheel. Instead of purchasing an OEM NOS wheel, YOU went out and purchased a used steering wheel. You received the used steering wheel that YOU purchased, and are disappointed that it's not the OEM NOS wheel that you were expecting. 
I'm pretty certain that Paypal will rule in favor of the seller, since the seller was selling a used steering wheel and that's precisely what you received. My suggestion would be to sell the steering wheel on Ebay, and go out and purchase an OEM NOS steering wheel, since that's obviously what you're looking for and expect to receive.
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SuperchargedV6
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JUL 21, 06:38 PM
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Not at all,, I would have no problem if it was redone correctly and on the correct frame. It was not and was not noted as a "bad" reproduction. I would have been fine if it was correctly done and could have over looked the error on not telling this. My complaint was it was not what I bought and I know many who said I was wrong would have done the same if it happened to them. You dont toss $118.00 out the window. Rick
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vortecfiero
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JUL 22, 10:21 AM
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id contact paypal
ebay ads says Fiero GT Steering wheel and this wheel has clearly been tampered with or modified from origonal.
they come down hard on misreprsented items.------------------
87 Fiero GT 5sp with Vortec L35 4300 Turbocharged V6
Bully Stage 2 clutch
Syclone intake manifold and engine management with Moates adapter and chip burner
Air/water intercooler and Devil's Own progressive water/alky injection
50lb injectors, 3 bar map sensor, Walboro fuel pump and Jabasco Intercooler pump
LM1 wideband on custom manifolds and 3" stainless exhaust system
T31/T04B S4 turbo with a Super T61 in the box
S10 caliper conversion.
Murphy's Constant Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value
Murphy's Law of Thermodynamics Things get worse under pressure.
Arthur C. Clarke "Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
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IwannaIRM
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JUL 22, 10:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by vortecfiero:
id contact paypal
ebay ads says Fiero GT Steering wheel and this wheel has clearly been tampered with or modified from origonal.
they come down hard on misreprsented items.
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Where was the item misrepresented? It's a replacement steering wheel for the Fiero. The Fiero Store sells these steering wheels and no one complains. Where do you get it was tampred with when the original seller even states earlier in this thread that he bought it as a replacement from the Fiero Store. So the Fiero Store tampered with a reproduction?  Why is it now when someone buys an item from ebay, asks no questions before buying it, assumes it's OEM (which the ad never stated) you can automatically say the seller lied or misrepresented the item sold. The item sold is what it is. Is it a steering wheel for a Fiero GT? Yes, the Fiero Store sells them as a replacement steering wheel for...wait for it....the Fiero!!!!
The only fault the seller had was not stating it was from the Fiero Store, if you want to call it fault. People buy things from GM Parts Direct, the Fiero Store and other places and never say where they bought the item because they want to get their money back without having others email them stating, "Hey, the Fiero Store sells the same thing for $20 less, why is yours so much more?" It's a fair market.
Rick's fault was for not asking any question, not one, zero nada. He stated he wanted an OEM/NOS steering wheel. The ad said nothing of the sort. Rick, I'm sorry, but for the car you have and the originallity you want to keep you should have asked the important questions. Yes, you're out $118 for now but you know well that you can sell this steering wheel on ebay.
The seller has already told you he would make it straight with you at Fieros at the Hall but you continue to complain that you got screwed. I know they're not your exact words but it's exactly what has come across.
No one's telling you to eat your loss but face it. The complaining you are doing is falling on deaf ears because the only person who made a mistake buying this steering wheel was you for not verifying exactly what you were buying. Greed to buy it now got the best of you.
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SuperchargedV6
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JUL 22, 11:40 AM
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You are making allot of statements after the fact. First he refused refund so why are you putting it on me that he wanted to make it right at the Fiero show which I can not make?? He upgraded a emailing debate thru Pay Pal for us to figure this out with proof of discussion and nothing more,, a moderator of sorts. He didn't respond and blows it out to a FULL BLOWN CLAIM immediately then come here and states if I didn't start a claim he would have worked it out with me. I gave him plenty of chances before I mentioned I would have to take further action. Now why would he not refund, blame me for the Pay Pal , state he is going to wait now for Pay Pal, then ask me to meet him at a show to fix it?? Come on are you that gullible. I was in a bad car accident three weeks ago { not my fault driver admitted and was cited} with spinal injuries and have been out of work for the first time in 23 year at this company. I'm not driving to a show 3 hours away nor do I have to when many opportunities have been offered for him to pay me back. Its cut and dry,, I was unhappy with the wheel for the right reasons and he could have offered a refund. Any good person would have and it was not for unfound reasons that I asked for my money back.
Next the wheel is not a Fiero wheel at all. The only thing that looks like a Fiero is the leather but that could be a couch. The grips on it proof it is not a Fiero wheel. Next the black thread is way out of place.
I "never" stated I wanted OEM,, you guys did that. I never stated I was suing,, you guys did that also. You need to take a step back and read in regular time as you think this all happened in a face to face discussion over 30 minutes and it was over two days.
The Fiero is a collectable car, it was represented as a ALMOST NEW wheel with few miles on it. The underside has many miles on it and was repainted. This is Lipstick on a Pig and calling it a perfect Woman.
Now I have plenty of red marks over this and wonder, if Pay Pal says I am correct, will they be changed back to Green???
AS for deaf ears,, you have to understand many are on my side but are afraid to post as they will get red barred. They see some of the vicious stuff and that is enough to stay out. Emails and pm's proofed that to me and I thank the few who did state how they felt with out getting mad or slinging snot. Remember I posted emails when I was told I did something I didn't. Everything was a progression and you can not take the last thing said and say it was the first thing I said.
Get one thing straight A reproduction is just that, a Remanufactured is just that and I do not have to email to get a answer. It is supposed to be stated and he forgot allot of stuff to tell in his add which is likely not a mistake. In my eyes and others it was deceiving. Rick B
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