V8 Archie Dyno Vid (Page 7/45)
Oreif JUN 08, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Zac88GT:


Don't you think that the 6spd would be better "showcased" if it was shown that it can handle a decent amount of power? If he reliably put down 400-500hp through that transmission i think he would have significantly more interest in that swap. I think many people are hesitant to use the 6spd because it's failure point has not been found, i know i am.



GM rates the 6-spd for a higher torque rating than the Getrag 5-spd. (so obviously it is stronger) But aside from that, The 6-spd is not only an option for the V-8, But for many other engines as well. (If I recall he installed a 6-spd with a 2.8L, 3.4L and a 4.9L powered Fiero.) So the point of the car was to show a 6-spd could be installed not neccesarily how much power it can hold.
Leafy JUN 08, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Kohburn:


yes - we all know that 350's can perform - so the reason shaun hassles archie so much is because archies swaps don't perform and he makes silly excuses for them all the while he says rediculous things like how "v8's make so much power that they don't need things like cold air intakes" then slapps a poorly tuned carb on it, some crush bent exhaust, and talks it up like its the best thing since sliced bread.

I once wanted a v8 fiero and contacted archie (some 9 years ago) but was turned off by his attitude and the rediculous claims he makes. i'd rather have a 400whp v6 than a 200whp v8



This is exactly my reasoning. We all know the potential of an SBC, it's the Kit maker's attitude towards anything but V8 that is what gets me. Fortunately there is a local V8 Kit builder here in Edmonton, that quoted me about 1100 Dollars for his type, after I approached him about his 350 Powered Fiero running 12.3 in the 1/4.

If I wanted an SBC, I'd be looking for his advise first, since he's proven his product, and has shown why a 350 is a good choice for the Fiero.

We know Archie doesn't build engines, but I'm much more inclined to swap in a 3.4 DOHC than a 350 that generates the same amount of power as my Cobalt SS, after seeing that video.

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Fastback 86 JUN 08, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Oreif:


I think you missed the point made earlier that the car was built to showcase the 6-spd, Not max power out of a V-8.

What N/A V-6 in a Fiero makes 230-250 rwhp???

As for the quote from his website, Using his products to attach a GM crate engine to my car, It does make my car perform and the quality of his kit appears to be good since I have yet to hear anyone break a kit.



Steven Snyder just put down 221rwhp with an N/A 3.4 DOHC. Thats 9hp under your baseline.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/083396.html
Fastback 86 JUN 08, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrthian:


ooops - sorry - didnt mean to force you to buy a SBC. or make you feel so insignificant because you dont have one. and, sorry so many americans are free to choose whatever motor they want. oh, and sorry he really doesnt install the V8's he claims to install, or have body kits he claims to have.....yup...such a sham....



Insignificant? That'll be the day. Have you seen CA gas prices? In case you hadn't noticed, I was talking about the attitude and "customer service" of the person providing the kit, as well as the erroneous claims he has made on this board and on his website.
Alex4mula JUN 08, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Zac88GT:


Don't you think that the 6spd would be better "showcased" if it was shown that it can handle a decent amount of power? If he reliably put down 400-500hp through that transmission i think he would have significantly more interest in that swap. I think many people are hesitant to use the 6spd because it's failure point has not been found, i know i am.



You see. This is the kind of BS. Where the hell are thsoe 400-500HP engines here V8 or not?? I can think of one or two proven in that range. Do you have one and are hesitant to use the 6 speed? I guess not. People get interested in a swap because cost, engine availability, wow factor and sometimes HP goal or technical expertise. I haven't seen trany as the main limiting factor. At the end we all have the same tranys to deal with. Very high HP use a $3K+ built 4T60. Want stick? Then check the limits. If Archie wanted a better showcase at D7 he could send people 30 feets away to my car with dynoed 304rwhp/366rwTQ and the 6 speed. It is torque what cracks the case and not HP

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ambfiero JUN 08, 10:49 PM
The fact of the matter is Archie does not have to prove anything. He has been in business for a long time and has been a great resource to the Fiero community. Its sad that these guys here have to start these little wars then hind behind statements like "I just wanted to find out what the deal was with this dyno". BS you guys post this crap just to get this stuff going, grow up. If you dont like Archie thats cool but you need to stop trying to attack him OVER AND OVER. Most of you are real knowledgeable and bring a lot of value to this forum. The problem is its undermined by the way you all act. Its like a bunch of little girls in high school.

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Archie JUN 08, 11:04 PM
This thread is funny.

Shaunbag posts up a video making fun of someone on a Dyno, but he's never shown a video of his own car on a Dyno.

It gets a few comments from his nutswingers.

He gets bored and mentions that it would be fun to see the video posted on PFF.

A few minutes later one of his nutswingers is posting it up over here.

Within minutes the rest of the swingers from RFT are all chiming in like they'd never seen the video over the last few days on RFT. Yeah, sure.

They want to rehash all the stuff from the D7 Dyno thread in which they all had participated in, just a couple of months ago. Did they all forget about that other thread? Nope just another chance to impress the Shaunbag with how clever they are & another chance to bash someone.

Now they are all righteous & indignant because they claim they were lied to. Well wake up boys, Shaunbag has been lying to you idiots for years & you've been biting down on it everytime.

As far as the car I drove to Daytona I'd refer you to this thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/064529.html , yes it was running rich in the Dyno room. Anyone who was there knows how bad the air was in that little room with no ventillation. Any carbed car was going to run rich in that room. The car only had 100 miles on it when we left for FL & we had some rocker problems on the way down & back from FL. The car didn't blow black smoke out the back on the round trip to FL, so we knew it had to be the conditions that caused the rich exhaust. When I got back from FL Chuck & I took our cars to the local Dyno just a couple of days later. As I said in the other thread the only thing that was done to the car was that we fixed the problems with the rocker arms. The new Dyno runs showed the car was running lean & the Dyno operator suggested going up a couple sizes on the jets. I have the Dyno sheets for those 3 runs but I don't know how to post them up, I can email them to Alex or Oreif if they'd like to post them. I also have video of the Dyno runs we did here but it's still on tape. you can see that it's not blowing rich on those runs.

I bought that '88 formula with the plan to put an LS2 in it with a 6 speed. Back in January when we put it together, we didn't have time to do the LS2 so we just used an engine that I had on an engine stand. The LS2 will go into it later this year, that's why it has an '84 decklid on it now. The original decklid will go on when the LS2 goes in. I put together mainy because I just needed a 6 speed car I could drive that has a roof on it.

It wasn't built to showcase the 6 speed, only an idiot would think that. In case you hadn't noticed, The Perfect Union was at the show with it's 6 speed, DrCpu was there with his 6 speed & Alex was there with the 6 speed car he assembled. With those cars there why would you think that the Formula was the "showcase" car?

Some of you guys just don't get it. Dynos & dragstrips are really not my bag. Like Tom Cory said, I drive what I like & I like what I drive. I've built my own cars since I was 14 & racing them has never been a great desire of mine. The guys that are installing used engines should take them to a dyno but 95% of the cars I build are using brand new crate engines. I've surveyed my customers and none of them wants to pay me by the hour to put the breakin mileage on the engine & clutch & take them to a dyno to run them at WOT before they get to drive their then used swaps home.

My customers are the one's I have to answer to, not a bunch of crybabies who haven't even ridden or driven a properly build SBC Fiero.

If you bashers would sit back & take the time to think something thru, you'd see that it's you guys who feel you have to prove yourselves & your choices by bashing others & their choices.

Sit back & feel the love, there doesn't have to be so much hate. It's all good.

Archie

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After Shaunbag is exposed as having asked Archie for a job as a Slack-Jawed Yokel
Archie sings ......... so I pulled off my hat & said imagine that, you workin' for meeeee. Lies, lies........

Unsafe At Any Speed JUN 08, 11:11 PM
I guess I'll probably get negged for this, but the main problem I see here is Archie's attitude. Granted some of the attacks may get old, but as the owner and advertiser of a business I would hope that he would conduct himself a little more professionally. I mean, why lower yourself to the same level that you consider immature by calling names? It reminds me of when John Hennesy (spelling?) blew up and started calling everyone names. I would think that this kind of conduct would turn off more than a few potential customers. Also, there does seem to be a general attitude around here that V8s are the only way to go if you want performance and that since Archie installs him, he's a god around here. I'm pretty sure the name calling and such is against the rules, yet certain people can do it anyway. That's just my opinion on the matter, and despite that I've been civil in presenting it (I think so at least), I'm sure I'll pick up some negs anyway which is what seems to happen when you disagree with certain forum members.

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Unsafe At Any Speed JUN 08, 11:17 PM
My last post I started before I saw this one.


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Originally posted by Archie:

If you bashers would sit back & take the time to think something thru, you'd see that it's you guys who feel you have to prove yourselves & your choices by bashing others & their choices.

Sit back & feel the love, there doesn't have to be so much hate. It's all good.

Archie




You say this after calling people idiots and nutswingers in the same post? Seriously, if you wanted this all to end you'd stop as well. I've been around for long enough that it all is not just perpetuated by Shaun.
ambfiero JUN 08, 11:19 PM
Well you can see that I dont post much but I am tired of this crap.... and I am not the one always being attacked. I am sure Archie is sick of it and at his end of the rope with these guys. But its the internet and anyone can say and do what they want. The ones that have nothing better to do than to start crap or attack people come here, post crap, and sit back and giggle. I have said it once and I will say it agian. There are a TON of people on PFF but only the brave really post anything because they are affraid the PFF Klan will hang them for saying anything or god forbid the post some stat wrong by accident. What ever! Im done posting my 2cents but damn this stuff gets old.