Five against one. Fair fight? Perhaps not. (Page 7/26)
Cadillac Jack MAY 30, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


Jack, read over all my posts in this thread (both pages) without any preconceived notions. If you still have questions for me, I'll answer them.



OK I read this again, as you requested. You agree the marine was justified in his actions and that the thief was in the wrong. You just wanted to point out that she wasn't the perp with the shotgun. You are concerned about how screwed up the world is. I am assuming then that you believe we should be able to defend ourselves and that any amount of force is justified. I am also assuming that you agree that the thief was responsible for her own actions and therefore responsible for the death of her unborn child (if there actually was one) whether she had a gun or not. But it seems as though, and there again maybe I'm putting words in your mouth, that you think this all happened because "it's a screwed up world".

It's my belief it's a screwed up world because these things happen. And that if everyone reacted the way the marine did, it would be less screwed up. And although it would never be perfect it would be more perfect than it is now. Again, it is not my intension to antagonize. I just feel this is an important subject that needs discussed.
Formula88 MAY 30, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:

There's video on the page I linked to. They've been adding updates as the story progressed. According to the video, they think they were members of a gang and this might have been an initiation.

So to keep things in perspective, that's a pregnant teenage gang banger attempting armed robbery. (and yes, you don't have to be the one holding the gun for it to be armed robbery if your accompliss has one)





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Originally posted by Patrick:


So who's arguing that point?

All I'm asking for is to keep our posts here factual, just in case anyone else cares...



No one that I know of. I was adding more information. It was not previously mentioned that she was a gang member. And now it looks like she may not have been pregnant, either.
Jake_Dragon MAY 30, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


That's the sad part, it doesn't matter to some of you. It doesn't matter to some of you that someone makes a totally erroneous statement in this thread and you accept it - lock, stock, and barrel. Someday the bullsh!t may be about you, but it doesn't matter...

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.


What facts are you wanting? It doesn’t matter if she had a gun or a tooth pick. She was part of an armed gang, who in their right mind would stop and make sure that they were defending themselves against an armed attacker when one of them already pointed a gun at him?

Fact this group of young people got in a car loaded with weapons looking for an easy target.
Fact they found someone and proceeded to rob this person at gun point
Fact the person they picked was not an easy target and after disarming one of them they still decided it was worth the risk to continue the attack.
Fact the girl lost her life, well guess what no one forced her to jump on him.

Fact is this could have all turned out different if she had decided to stay home instead of getting into a car with 4 other people and committing a crime. Do I feel bad for her, sure I do. If it had been only two people attacking him I’m pretty sure he would have just beat the crap out of them and they would have spent a few years in jail. But faced with 5 armed people with unknown weapons when would you stop fighting back because one of them would loose their life if you continued? If they had knocked his knife out of his hand and gave them enough time to pick up the gun where would he be?

I am not even remotely glad that she died, but he didn’t do anything wrong or provoke them in any way. She died because she chose that course of action.
You cant change the world after the fact. I would do the same thing he did in the same situation. Faced with 5 armed attackers I would be in kill mode before they got out of the car. Taking the time to determine how dangerous each attacker is will get you kill, once the gun came out they were all armed robbers with intent to kill.
FIEROPHREK MAY 30, 10:00 PM
Hey Patric hind sight is always 20/20. The sh!t hit the fan and thats how it played out . Sure it could've went down a million differant ways but when it's happening you don't have the luxury of running through each senario and picking the best outcome. Natural human survival instinct along with some good old Marine corp training kicked in and handled the situation. You can't change the past so why argue about it.

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fierofool MAY 30, 10:34 PM
On the radio, they stated that the Ultra-Liberal Atlanta Journal-Constitution's story line was "Former Marine Kills Pregnant Robber" in an effort to build sympathy for the woman.
Cadillac Jack MAY 30, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by fierofool:

On the radio, they stated that the Ultra-Liberal Atlanta Journal-Constitution's story line was "Former Marine Kills Pregnant Robber" in an effort to build sympathy for the woman.


Just their way of getting attention. You can't sell stuff if you don't have people's attention.
mxfox MAY 30, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by JohnnyK:


That'll go down as the dumbest thing I hear all week, I'll bet.




explain
Uaana MAY 30, 11:27 PM
Reminds me of this old "humor" post..

Liberal vs. Conservative Difference on Gun Debate

Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a Glock 40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Conservative Answer:

BANG!

I'm not saying the former Marine is conservative or liberal, sounds like some of the old training kicked in and the chips fell where they did.
It's nice that some can think about the teenage girl that died which is all fine and nice in hindsight. At that time at that moment she was nothing more than a threat that had to be dealt with.
She rolled the dice, she lost.
I mourn her no more than any other thug that dies in any city across western civilization. They have the world at their feet and choose to adopt a thug life and thug culture, in fact I probably care less. As a female she has even more resources to escape poverty and get an education than a male.

I may be a bit more callus/cold then others have been, but I've been to some real ****holes around the world, and she and her friends live a life of luxury in comparison.
Scott-Wa MAY 30, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:

I'd bet the pregnency was detected during the autopsy or was a misreporting by the media...



Looks like I had it with the second...


I wonder what fact checkers make these days.

[This message has been edited by Scott-Wa (edited 05-30-2006).]

BN Boomer MAY 31, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


Excuse me ?



Why? Did you open your mouth again and out popped some more of your putrid flatulence?