i am a fiero fan, im just not as close minded as some people. you want to see a non tubbed streetable dsm, look no farther than john shepherds car. hot rod magazine did a feature on it. not bad for a "ricer" oh yeah, and it runs 8s.

you completely avoided the part of his statement where he said those are not ricers to him they are tuners..

for someone so open minded, you sure are close minded on what people mean by "rice"

perhaps i should qualify my statement by saying i also drive a subaru, and rice is not just imported there is plenty of domestic rice

Now I have moved on to V8's like mustangs and cameros

The GSX had 50,000 miles and the Talon had 122,000 miles. Both prematurely failed transmissions after modding. The talon's transmission was redone twice. And it had an ACT 2600 LBS clutch in it. I never had slicks on the front and tried to race from a slow roll. In fact I have a video of the car in motion if you would like to see it. And these parts were not old or worn out. This car had the 14b and 6-bolt in it. I used the pistons from the 95 engine seeing the stock 6-bolt piston was melted! Care to see the picture of it? These are all common problems in the DSM community and if you own one there is no denying it whether the parts are brand new or used.

Both cars had the right stuff. 550cc injectors and AFC with the 16G. As for the t3/t4 it had 660cc injectors and dsmlink. I do believe in proper tuning and I built my engines properly. I have an LT1 taken apart and I have a six bolt taken apart. I've compared pistons and it was shocking how poorly built the dsm piston was in comparison to the LT1's. Especially when these pistons work off of totally different atmospheric pressures. That is why I switched to the 95 pistons. As far as the link goes, who knows, maybe the engine was using 1995 pistons in it. Still stock right? And if he was using stock pistons he had luck on his side for those few runs before it blew the head gasket. Another problem that is a major pain and almost always happening.

As for the GSX, it had occasional 4-5K launches. Nothing that I didn't do in my 86 2m6 four speed. And if you don't believe that, come to Chicago and I will show you. That car handled it with no burnted clutch or driveline failures. Now as far as slapping a v8 on it I'm not sure yet seeing every car has their problems. What are you running in your two cars? Have you done any mods to them?

i've never heard of dsms having piston problems unless a lot of knock was present. under severe boost creep i was seeing 20+ psi on a ported and clipped big 16g on stock injectors and it was fine. i launch the car at 6k on a regular basis w/a 2600 and fidanza flywheel and it sees the rev limiter on a weekly basis with no problems. my fiero took the launches well enough, but burnt up a lot of clutches, granted they were cheap, but that like bast*rd hooked. it hated life when it saw the limiter though.

I WILL win that argument! and i'll be able to drive it home to.
Oh and i will keep everyone posted.

And thats all there is to it, because I said so

Just wanted to butt in a little.

Very nicely put ! Love it or leave it.