"As far as Archie selling kool-aid to Members that have "really" gotten under his skin, just my opinion, but the Forum would be better off without them (and I really don't think there are as many as you think)."

"Just to give you another opinion, I don't see it that way. While Archie does have a Fiero related Business, I don't see him coming on here as a "Salesman" trying to push his products on anyone."

Nor do I. he just makes his stuff known and lets people come to him.

"If that were the case, you'd see one heck of a lot more posts from him. On the other hand, the internet is a Marketing Tool, where unfounded slams against someone can change opinions formed by some people, and defense is warranted under these conditions."

He used to post more, but I still maintain taht he is not here hawking is wares.

"Lastly, I think when Archie posts here, he is like most of us, just talking cars because he enjoys talking cars, he's speaking as an individual most of the time, not a Business Man. If you get an individual stirred up on the internet, be prepared for some severe back-lash, that's just the way it is."

This is where I deviate from your opinion. Archie, "walks" with the swagger of someone that wants/demands to be followed without question, and if you kindly disagree with him he will rally the troops.

"You'd have to sit in Archie's chair for a couple months to fully realize just how much crap he's had to take from some people."

And you would actually have to hear both sides to make an objective call.

"Frankly, I'm sure that anyone that's talked to him on a serious business level understands what I'm trying to say here."

Ummm, no.

"That's my perception, I don't think I'm much off the mark, although I don't know him personally, and haven't done business with him. I'm just calling it like I see it."

Calikid,

I posted info that I thought might be helpful to some of PFF members, no where in that thread does it show I attacked Archie. Moreover, I repeat my challenge for Archie or his supporters to post a link/example to a thread where I start a unprovoked attack. If that is shown I can respond with links showing Archie's unprovoked attacks toward me. And I state this and will do so to show I can prove what I'm stating. Something that has yet to be shown by Archie or his supporters.

www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043622.html

Guys, it seems like everyone is fighting for the right to agree to disagree.

I will take it upon myself to extend this right to everyone, hey, what can I say, I'm a giving person.

And the fact that this has gone on for a couple pages already tells me that a couple
of people have pent up hostility that I doubt originated here, but O/T always seems to be the
battleground for this sort of thing.

I, personally, have never met any of the people on this forum in person, and have only dealt over the
internet with a select few, who are not involved in this dispute. I don't know the history behind it.
But I can see the competitiveness of a couple of car guys growing to this kind of argument.

Honestly, the key figures in this argument have each given much to this community.
Obviously business reputations are influenced in such a tight-knit community when businesses
are as small as the ones in the fiero community, you deal with the owner. You like the owner,
suddenly the product, which you may have never seen in person, looks better than it does in the pictures.
The owner strikes you in an off way or you don't care for them in whatever fashion, you may take your business
elsewhere. When two company heads butt heads, and each of them have a strong following inside the
community, then it says to me that each of them are decent guys, coming at the hobby from two different angles.
Otherwise no one would come to their aid, no one would buy their products, and they would live out their
life sitting in a corner, stroking a mirror telling themselves how great they are. Obviously this isn't the case,
and not the real issue. I think that Darth is feeling a little unrespected by Archie, and again, I am going on a
fraction of the total picture here, and he feels like he thinks that Archie feels he is better than alot of people.
Again, I am not taking sides, because I have never conversed with either of you.

I wish someone would just start a 3800sc versus SBC argument, so this could become constructive.
All this is going to do is hurt all business reputations involved, and it isn't going to help anyone.

I've read this whole nightmare and tried to think of the last time Archie insulted me/called me names/stuck his tongue out at me/called my pro street a POS/farted in my general direction and I can't think of any. On the contrary, Archie's generosity has surprised the heck outta me! Fieros aren't the cash cow that people may think they are, and I'm sure that Archie's not making millions each year with his business. Basically Archie invented the only V8 install kit to pass the tests of time. (All you Zumalt lovers please sit down.) That's his baby, and he gets defensive when people attack it. As I've said numerous times, it's nothing anyone else wouldn't do if you were in his shoes (admit it!). If you can understand that, you can understand Archie. It's that simple.

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"Basically Archie invented the only V8 install kit to pass the tests of time."