Wasn't even thinking about your post on this one yashmack. That was directed at the author of the "my kind" remark.

Hung up, not even, not even upset. Just taking an opportunity to express my point on the joke and as usual on this board the snowball hits the fan and sprays crap everywhere. This was about in my opinion, a lame joke that used a term and a voice that is generally applied in an unflattering fashion that slewed all over the place.

Now, I have actually met John Wudman. He came into the New England area a few years ago in his Fiero and we welcomed him into our home. We didn't know much about him other than from his web site and a few e-mails. We didn't know his race, age, color, height, eye shade, length of hair, TV show favorites, shirt size or much of anything else for that matter. It never came up and more importantly it didn't matter. After meeting him we were very impressed, as we have been after meeting most Fiero owners in person. He impressed us as a very knowledgeable and intelligent man.
My family also found him to be a very humorous human being as well.
Now, I am not going to argue that his point of view on this is right and everyone else is wrong or vice versa. I think part of the problem here is that everyone has their own feelings and ideas of what is funny and what is not.
If I had never met Wudman, I might not have thought much more about this joke myself other than my own feelings of what a few others seem to think is funny.
But I have met him. After seeing his reaction to this "joke", it made me think a bit more about it. It actually made me relook at the joke and try and see it more from his point of view. As I know and respect this man I knew that he was not just some raging lunatic on the net spewing thier one sided views and feelings on the rest. So I read and re-read his points and I can say now that I can better see where he is coming from. I see it now as education of a sort.
Until someone tells you something is wrong, how would you know otherwise? Not everything comes to us on it's own and is common sense obvious as the world sadly shows us on a daily basis.
He is saying that he feels this joke is wrong. Even if you do not agree, you should at least be able to agree that he can disagree just as you can. If it helps change your perspective even the slightest in the process, maybe so much the better. That is part of the education process I guess.
Some here think that this joke is OK as it isn't much different than what they have seen before. If you always grew up crapping on the back lawn, how would you know any different?
I also can see what the joke was trying to say, but maybe the ends don't always justify the means.
I kind of look at the joke here like this:
Would I see a joke like this in the Readers Digest? Would I myself feel comfortable saying this "joke" in a mixed crowd, made up mostly of people I didn't really know?
My answer would be no.
In fact to be honest, I wouldn't have thought twice about passing it on or posting it, especially on a public internet forum.
To be fair, I have also met John (avengador1) Forgot your last name
I have found him to also be a great person to know. One the many times I have met him he has always seemed to be a very knowledgeable and intelligent person as well. So maybe this was something that he thought at the moment to be humorous and wanted to share in a place he enjoys hanging out at. It doesn't matter now. We have all read many of the opinions, reactions, views and attitudes from others here including Wudman, a man who also has first hand knowledge and experience from which to give his point of view from. I wonder how many may now feel just a little bit differently than they did at the begining of this about this subject?
If it changes the perpective of even one person just a little bit, maybe this joke had a silver lining after all.

Anyway, since we are going to continue to discuss this, lets try and at least do it in an intelligent and adult manner if we can.
Sorry for the book. I'll try and shut up now

Steve

Ok. As my high school football used to say many moons ago, "Back to the fundamentals." There is no media conspiracy be it liberal, conservative, satanic, christian, racist or otherwise. Programming is driven by advertising dollars. If your product (TV, movie, paper, website, etc.) consistently attracts viewers, the price of advertising goes up. Commercial television is ALL about advertising. If you don't attract viewers, you go off the air. Period.

Your certainly entitled to your opinion but understand it is completely, wholly and totally racist. Somehow you've managed to convince yourself that television networks care more about what color you are than how much money they can make.

I assure you that corporate America won't mind me acting as their spokesperson when I say:

That's just plain stupid.

Networks aren't required to have 'stellar' records in 'ethnic' programming; if you don't like what you're watching, do the obvious--change the channel.

-Jeff

1985FieroGT, your recent comments are so uncalled for I hope you win the new getting banned record

No **** , I am the future of our country also, I totally dont agree with that, it was totally immature and TOTALLY not needed, If it has any effect on your opinons Stimpy, Im 18 and like I said before TOTALLY disagree with what he said, it was childish, rude and has nothing to do with the thread. Other than bashing a "black" person. Ill tell you guys what I work with 1 black person, and My Bestfriend is Black. Ive showed both of them this joke, they found it down right hilarious. The Guy I work with always refers to himself as "black man" Me and him have racial slurs back and forth all the time all for fun! He doesnt care at all. He Told me Last Week, Man Adam, Getting 14 hours a week at work was good, but 21 hours is Over working a Black Man. << there is some of his humor for you!

But speaking for my age group, Disregard 1985's Comment it definately wasnt needed.

Adam

Edit: Fixed my spelling mistakes