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Fastback 86
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MAR 15, 08:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by I'm Back:
Assuming that is the same person, you and the person I quoted from RFT, I have no way of knowing if it's incidental or if that was you writing it, I just posted verbatum what is written. They claim independence from the so-called tyranny of PFF, bash, libel and make fun of PFF, then commit the same acts they accuse PFF of doing. Where have I cried about people insulting me? I'm sorry for your hate, I don't have that for anyone in either forum. |
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One and the same, and even if it weren't, it wouldn't excuse your insults. Once again, I've never claimed independence, so nothing you've said to or about me has been relevant or even true. Go be a tool somewhere else.
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I'm Back
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MAR 15, 08:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fastback 86:
Look up his current and old username on this forum. Look on RFT too if it suits you. This guys is a waste of bandwidth and only comes on these forums to troll. He never talks cars, only politics and is completely incapable of having a discussion without being an enormous jerk. There's a reason he's been banned. |
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Not at all, I will post in the tech section in RFT. Last time I posted there about having bushings made to tighten up the N* flywheel hole diameter, I was hammered. Face it, RFT not only lacks constructive dialogue, they have only a pseduo declaration of independence.
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I'm Back
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MAR 15, 08:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by AkursedX:
I can't help but laugh that you are thanking me, a mod at RFT, in a thread that's trashing RFT.
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I don't have a problem with you, I was thanking you for pointing out that essentially Cliff may have forgotten the difference between EDSB52 and I'm Back. You wrote:
It took me forever to find this, but you did let Ed come back once (hence the "I'm Back" name) and he hasn't earned a re-banning (EDIT: Per the rating system).
I think you miss the point here, I don't hate anyone in either forum and like some people in RFT and here. My sole purpose for coming here with this is to debunk RFT's claim of independence from the horrible autocracy as they infer; essentially saying they won't run RFT that way. Yet they are. It's more about the game than the player. It's obvious to me that Brian (DiggityBiggity) the mod of anything goes was pissed because I called him out on a few issues he was unable to respond to. I believe he went to whoever runs the place (Howard???) and cried about ban him or I'll leave - just a guess. Look, I'm not mad, I really htink it's all funny. PFF is not for me and I don't want to irritate people here, so I'm not going to post in other threads out of respect. As for RFT, other than Will, it was like talking to 15YO's, so I'm just done there, I have plenty of other forums that suit me better.
I don't believe you and I have ever even had 1 exchange over there. I would research but it just doesn't matter. Take care, and.....thx 
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I'm Back
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MAR 15, 08:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:
I don't know anything about Ed, as it was all before my time, but I really believe he means no foul at this moment in time. Maybe I say that because I agree with him on the RFT points, but he hasn't said one angry line in this thread yet. I hope that Cliff doesn't ban you, but this is his forum, and whatever will be, will be. Good luck to you no matter how this ends up, Ed. |
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Thx bro, but I'm just here for this one thread, whatever is best for PFF, Cliff and the members is good with me.
Take care.
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I'm Back
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MAR 15, 08:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fastback 86:
One and the same, and even if it weren't, it wouldn't excuse your insults. Once again, I've never claimed independence, so nothing you've said to or about me has been relevant or even true. Go be a tool somewhere else. |
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No, you never claimed independence or disavowed moderation,but that is the theme of the forum. If I go to a Mustang forum and am not with Mustangs, then I really have no place there; it's kind of the same concept.
When I wrote:
And then there’s the typical denial so present at RFT, this is from Fastback86:
Fastback86: I'd be all in favor of changing this forum's banning policy just long enough to ban Ebs.
You know, Fastback, you suck one dick you can’t, ‘ungay’ yourself; you ban one person you can’t ever declare yourself independent from censorship.
Few points here:
1) You admit to being aware of the, "No ban" rule, as you want to undo the no-ban rule for just 1 person then reinstate it, so you do recognize the concept of, "Independence has been Declared" in RFT and you do want to act in resistance of it. So even if you didn't write it or weren't sworn to uphold it, you did acknowledge it and knew RFT stood for no moderation as a result of people who were disgruntled with PFF.
2) The, "suck one dick" analogy was in no way directed at you to call you or infer you are gay, it was strictly an analogy to illustrate that you can't undo a rule or an act for 1 time, then resume as if you never violated that. It was a simple analogy. If and when I call someone a cocksucker or anything else I don't mince words, and I certainly wasn't calling you that in the analogy.
How have I insulted you in this PFF thread? I don't see it unless you mistook the analogy as being directed at you.[This message has been edited by I'm Back (edited 03-15-2009).]
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Back On Holiday
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MAR 15, 08:47 PM
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Hmm, I read through most of this and it sounds like edsb52 is basicly saying:
RTF is Full of $hit, they claim they are "Independent" and dont "F**K" with the forum like they claim Cliff does, and are basicly are coming around to what Cliff has been doing for years... Keeping things on topic and no BS allowed.
Am I wrong? do I care? - No, dont give a crap.
I'm glad RFT is there though... gives a place where all the Special people can go 
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Back On Holiday
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MAR 15, 08:50 PM
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btw forgot this lil gem:
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Fastback 86
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MAR 15, 08:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by I'm Back:
No, you never claimed independence or disavowed moderation,but that is the theme of the forum. If I go to a Mustang forum and am not with Mustangs, then I really have no place there; it's kind of the same concept.
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Do you not see your own enormous hypocrisy in this statement? In the years that I've been here and on RFT, I've never once seen you post anything about Fieros. Ever. Why are you here, Ed? Follow your own advice and go away.
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When I wrote:
And then there’s the typical denial so present at RFT, this is from Fastback86:
Fastback86: I'd be all in favor of changing this forum's banning policy just long enough to ban Ebs.
You know, Fastback, you suck one dick you can’t, ‘ungay’ yourself; you ban one person you can’t ever declare yourself independent from censorship.
Few points here:
1) You admit to being aware of the, "No ban" rule, as you want to undo the no-ban rule for just 1 person then reinstate it, so you do recognize the concept of, "Independence has been Declared" in RFT and you do want to act in resistance of it. So even if you didn't write it or weren't sworn to uphold it, you did acknowledge it and knew RFT stood for no moderation as a result of people who were disgruntled with PFF.
2) The, "suck one dick" analogy was in no way directed at you to call you or infer you are gay, it was strictly an analogy to illustrate that you can't undo a rule or an act for 1 time, then resume as if you never violated that. It was a simple analogy. If and when I call someone a cocksucker or anything else I don't mince words, and I certainly wasn't calling you that in the analogy.
How have I insulted you in this PFF thread? I don't see it unless you mistook the analogy as being directed at you.
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1) Independence being declared and the rule of not banning anyone are not the exact same concept. Regardless, I stand by what I said: I would happily rescind the "no ban" policy (which I think is a silly one anyway, as you so eloquently prove every time you post) long enough to get rid of you. I never claimed to be ignorant of the rule, nor did I stand up for it. The forum does have a guiding principle though, and I respect that. However, in your case, I wouldn't be bothered if the principle were temporarily breached.
2) How was I to take it anyway but as a backhanded insult? Your analogy equated my position on the "no ban" policy with homosexuality. Next time, use an analogy that can't be construed as an insult.
3) Go away.
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I'm Back
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MAR 15, 09:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Back On Holiday:
Hmm, I read through most of this and it sounds like edsb52 is basicly saying:
RTF is Full of $hit, they claim they are "Independent" and dont "F**K" with the forum like they claim Cliff does, and are basicly are coming around to what Cliff has been doing for years... Keeping things on topic and no BS allowed.
Am I wrong? do I care? - No, dont give a crap.
I'm glad RFT is there though... gives a place where all the Special people can go |
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Nailed it. It only took me 3000 words to say just that. They aren't as vigilant as Cliff, but they claim hands off, so they have no lattitude.
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I'm Back
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MAR 15, 09:27 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Fastback 86: |
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| quote | | 1) Independence being declared and the rule of not banning anyone are not the exact same concept. Regardless, I stand by what I said: I would happily rescind the "no ban" policy (which I think is a silly one anyway, as you so eloquently prove every time you post) long enough to get rid of you. I never claimed to be ignorant of the rule, nor did I stand up for it. The forum does have a guiding principle though, and I respect that. However, in your case, I wouldn't be bothered if the principle were temporarily breached. |
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You just confirm what I was saying, you understand the concept of Independence from the so-called oppressive PFF, you understand the membership in RFT has a no-ban policy, written or otherwise: I'd be all in favor of changing this forum's banning policy just long enough to ban Ebs.
And no, you did not claim to be ignorant of the rule nor were you. You were well-informed of the rule, so much so that you recited it. And that so-called temporary breaching is the independence for which RFT was established and you knew it.
Also, you once again establish the policy of no-ban when you call it a, "silly one." So the very essence of RFT and the independence from the so-called oppression of PFF is a facade, it's the same sensorship they at RFT infer Cliff is doing over here, just with a different web address. This so-called emancipation of RFT has just undergone a big black eye; the jig is up. Howard, you let your guys influence you and pervert your agenda. If anyone was unclear, RFT is now a junior and a cheap knock-off to PFF, the real deal.
| quote | | 2) How was I to take it anyway but as a backhanded insult? Your analogy equated my position on the "no ban" policy with homosexuality. Next time, use an analogy that can't be construed as an insult. |
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There was no intentional connection. As for next time, there won't be, check your #3, it's the real declaration by me, not a pseudo declaration by the other place.
3) Go away.[This message has been edited by I'm Back (edited 03-15-2009).]
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