POLL: Do you consider this theft? (Page 6/9)
Fastback 86 SEP 20, 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by JimmyS:


Your ignorance is really starting to show here. I bet I would have an easier time, in court, proving he is a thief then you would have charging me with slander. You need to look up the definition. I could not be charged with slander for quoting his "own" post. Your morals are messed up if you think theft is less of a crime than quoting a confession. If he was worried about his dignity then he should not have posted his crime on an open forum.

There seems to be a lot more people in this thread that agree it is theft, then there are people who agree with you.

I'm through discussing this with you.



So two wrongs make a right then? Since he did something bad, you're totally justified in defaming his character? Even though nothing he did had anything to do with you? I'm sure you've never broken any laws, right? How bout we put you up on the block next and everyone can judge you? Get over yourself.
Emc209i SEP 20, 02:54 AM
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fierofetish SEP 20, 08:46 AM
Our local scrap car dealer is very sensible about this kind of thing, IMHO. Anything that would cost less than 10 euros new, does NOT warrant being charged for secondhand, and you are free to take them..as long as you declare them, AND buy something whilst you are there. Sadly, no matter HOW low they set the bar, there are always people who will try to wriggle under it. In other words, they now think it is fair game to take things that are less than 20 euros to buy new, without paying.
I have always gone to the owner with anything I have a use for. You would not believe how many things he gives ME for free, and a good price on things I HAVE to pay for, whilst I have seen him charge over the odds to other people for something they have wanted to buy. I asked him why he did that, once...and he smiled, and said 'that guy walks out with more stuff he doesn´t pay for than you would imagine..so I get the money for him by charging HIM more than I would charge you, or anybody else WHO RESPECTS MY BUSINESS. And if he doesn´t come back, I have one less thief to worry about'.
I can also take things without paying for them at the time, because I might see something I didn´t expect to see there, and don't have the money to pay at that visit. I always make a point of going back and paying, then walking out the yard without even looking for something else. He then knows I came back to pay the debt, rather than just pay for it because I want something else That is a luxury that being honest earns, and again, IMHO, makes up for me having to pay for something I know darned well will almost never ever be sold before it is smashed to pieces .
Scrapyards, or wreckers as you call them, have very high taxes and levies to pay here in Spain. They have to ensure that EVERY vehicle has ALL its fluids drained before they are put up for sale as parts cars. They have to pay a LOT of money for the disposal of those liquids legally and properly.My guy told me that, for every 'free car' he gets in, he has to pay Local Government charges, and labour hours for the 'cleaning up' operations, which total around 250 euros per car. Currently there are 150-odd cars in his yard..multiply that by 250 euros each BEFORE he can actually start to sell anything off them..37.500 euros....he has to make that back,before he starts making a profit on the vehicle.
IMHO, honesty is the best policy for all.The wreckers in my area have a 'grapevine', and anybody who steals, or removes things without permission, will suddenly find themselves not being allowed in ANY wreckers yard in the area.
Whether we consider it to be right or wrong to 'liberate' parts, just be sure that the price of it WILL be collected..just probably from somebody else who DOES pay for their parts already.
Edit to add a perspective from an 'Oldtimer's' life experience

I never met anybody who started smoking 60 cigarettes from day 1
I never met an alcoholic who started drinking 4 bottles of vodka a day from day 1
I never met a junkie who started out on crack cocaine from day 1
I never met anybody who started a life of violence passed their teen years.
I never met anybody who exceeded the speed limit by 50 mph from day 1
And there are adages which have lasted hundreds of years for good reason. One being
'great Oaks from little acorns grow'

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madcurl SEP 20, 03:53 PM
My vote: It's stealing. "Those whom are faithful in little things are faithful in much. Those who are unfaithful in little are unfaithful in things that are much"- but whose going to call you on it? God, your conscience, or peers? Depends if your actions are being pricked by your consciences.

However, consider how the junkyards California solve this dilemma;

Don’t forget, most junkyards (here in CA) make-up for possible “sticking fingers” by charging a “door fee” upon entrance @ $2-3 a head. You are charged this fee regardless of you buy anything or just browsing their lot. I’ve seen the list and it can up-to 100 people whom have signed the list. Tell me; is it fare that everyone is charged a flat rate? When was the last time you’ve walked into a store and was charged a flat fee upon entering? Those who leave with nothing may feel they’re “entitled” for a souvenir.

Therefore, due to my political career, I plead the 5th.

Edit: I forgot to mention that a junkyard in Clearwater, FL crushed a near perfect yellow 88 fastback. I'm sure the plastic roof and panel where not needed for scrap metal and I'm sure a Fiero person would have gone over and taken off the parts before they crushed the car!


Here's the archive link; http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-061451.html

Fiero84Freak SEP 20, 05:43 PM
You know what the sad thing is... when I want to take stuff out of salvage yards, I honestly usually just ask for it. I've gotten such big stuff for free by just asking for it it's silly. Like three turbos, complete bodywork from a C5 vette, complete front suspension for my DSM. it's hilarious. It's pretty surprising what you can get for free just by asking for it. Chat it up a bit, and it can get you places. LOL!
GT86 SEP 20, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by madcurl:

When was the last time you’ve walked into a store and was charged a flat fee upon entering?




2 months ago, on a buddy's birthday. Cover charge at the strip club. Was worth it though

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Hulki U. My-BFF SEP 20, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

I steal everything I can from a junkyard because it WAS someones property.




Uhhmmm.........It still IS someone's property. It's property of the junkyard.
madcurl SEP 20, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by GT86:
2 months ago, on a buddy's birthday. Cover charge at the strip club. Was worth it though




Yeah, that was a "teaser" charge. You're not allowed free looks, hehe.
AquaHusky SEP 21, 10:08 PM
I've been lucky with the yards. I declare parts in my pockets and they just let me have them anyway. Hell, I got a normally $200+ ign module for the 88 Duke for free even though I told them I had it in my pocket cuz my hands were full. They always cut me deals, though I usually part with over $100 when I would go at any given time.
darkhorizon SEP 21, 10:27 PM
My junkyard basically charges a monthly fee... i buy a few motors from them at a fairly inflated price, and I get free reign on little stuff in the yard.