Sorry but i gotta ask, whats the story with Archie and Cletus? (Page 6/20)
AkursedX JAN 08, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by California Kid:

One of the reasons you won't see many SBC Fiero's posting time slip under 12 seconds is a follows:

NHRA Rules for 11.00 to 11.99 Quarter Mile Cars as follows:

1. 5 Point 3 inch wide Seat Belts meeting SFI Spec 16.1

2. SFI Approved/Certified Roll Bar with more than 4 point mounting

3. SFI Approved/Certified Scatter Shield for Trans/Bellhousing

4. SFI Approved/Certified Flywheel and Clutch

5. Steel Valve Stems required in all wheels.

Most of us don't care that much about competeing in the quarter mile game, and this is part of the reason. I don't know how the people posting time slips under 12 seconds are getting away with not conforming to the rules above, but I don't think I've seen a "legal" class car in this category, posted on this site. Sure I could slap some slicks on my car and run faster, but it would immediately drop me into the category above, which I don't care to do.



Well having run at Milan, you should have no problem running all the way down to 11.50.

http://www.milandragway.com/2007/rules.html

13.99
Helmet Snell 90 or Higher

11.50 - 13.49
Roll Bar or Roll Cage For Convertibles

I've run a 12.95 there along with 4 other Fieros that were running between 11.9 and 13.5 and no one even batted an eye. When you start running past 11.5, that's when I would imagine they start getting more serious. I was out with the Royal Pontiac Club and they rent the track once a month, all you can race. When April comes around, you should come out and see what you can do. The worst they can do is tell you that you can't run anymore because you went too fast, like that's a bad thing.

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'88 GT- 257rwhp 319rwft/lbs 12.95@106.1mph

Oreif JAN 08, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by AkursedX:


Well having run at Milan, you should have no problem running all the way down to 11.50.

http://www.milandragway.com/2007/rules.html

13.99
Helmet Snell 90 or Higher

11.50 - 13.49
Roll Bar or Roll Cage For Convertibles

I've run a 12.95 there along with 4 other Fieros that were running between 11.9 and 13.5 and no one even batted an eye. When you start running past 11.5, that's when I would imagine they start getting more serious. I was out with the Royal Pontiac Club and they rent the track once a month, all you can race. When April comes around, you should come out and see what you can do. The worst they can do is tell you that you can't run anymore because you went too fast, like that's a bad thing.



Actually different tracks do have different rules. One track by us will let you run down until 10.99 before they require many safety features.
What California Kid posted is what is at the official NHRA tracks. Not all tracks follow the NHRA guidelines.
bmwguru JAN 08, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Any chance of that happening disappeared when you posted pics of your wife.




lol...thanks
summerjim JAN 08, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by California Kid:

One of the reasons you won't see many SBC Fiero's posting time slip under 12 seconds is a follows:

NHRA Rules for 11.00 to 11.99 Quarter Mile Cars as follows:



What are the reasons SBC Fieros can't post dyno slips then?

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Jake_Dragon JAN 08, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by summerjim:

What are the reasons SBC Fieros can't post dyno slips then?




Don't have one and don't feel I need one. The car is fun to drive and does exactly what I want it to do.
Some of us don't care about dyno slips but its getting old hearing the same thing over and over. I will never post a dyno slip on here, my 2.8 was fun to drive and I didn't need a dyno slip to make it fun. I have never came on here and said my car was better than anyone else's, but I have tried to share the fun I have had with it.

The person that owned my SBC and had all of the work done to it said the builder estimates the HP at around 350 at the crank, thats ported and polished heads, bored 60 over (he did state he was unsure about the boar but was pretty sure it was 60) It has an after market cam but he couldn't find the paper work for it. But even if it was just a stock crate SBC with a 4 bbl it would still be a blast to drive with twice the stock HP. I have posted all of the above information before because I was told it in good faith, I don't feel I need a dyno sheet to tell me what the car can do. Its a lot of fun to drive and its been fun to work on, I just wanted to share my fun.

I don't see where posting a dyno sheet would be anything but a target for more trolls asking why it didn't do better.


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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Call them what you want, but when someone has nothing better to do the search the Internet for anything V8 and Fiero just to bash it I call that a troll.
We all have our favorite swap for what ever reason, why do people feel the need to bash someone else's. Its old and immature, asking them to stop has done nothing and only resulted in my removal of the youtube videos of my car.
I don't care for the pollution, there are more important things in life.
summerjim JAN 08, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Don't have one and don't feel I need one. The car is fun to drive and does exactly what I want it to do.
Some of us don't care about dyno slips but its getting old hearing the same thing over and over. I will never post a dyno slip on here, my 2.8 was fun to drive and I didn't need a dyno slip to make it fun. I have never came on here and said my car was better than anyone else's, but I have tried to share the fun I have had with it.



Any Fiero with extensive modifications can be fun to drive; there's no debate on that point. I think a 2.5 Fiero can be fun to drive, so obviously a Fiero with mods is probably even more so. That's fact and I agree with it. What I don't agree with is making claims about a car that you can't substantiate with evidence. You won't see me posting that my Fiero with 2.8 has 135 (or 140) horsepower. And you won't see me making horsepower claims about my 3800 supercharged Fiero either. I haven't run it at a track, haven't dynoed it, and can only GUESS as to the horsepower.

If you don't want to hear criticism about dynos and track times, then don't make bogus claims about what you've got. Simple as that.



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The person that owned my SBC and had all of the work done to it said the builder estimates the HP at around 350 at the crank, thats ported and polished heads, bored 60 over (he did state he was unsure about the boar but was pretty sure it was 60) It has an after market cam but he couldn't find the paper work for it. But even if it was just a stock crate SBC with a 4 bbl it would still be a blast to drive with twice the stock HP. I have posted all of the above information before because I was told it in good faith, I don't feel I need a dyno sheet to tell me what the car can do. Its a lot of fun to drive and its been fun to work on, I just wanted to share my fun.



It's great that it's fun to drive, but unless you have evidence of the horsepower produced by the engine, you're misrepresenting it. Just in the same way that I can claim my car has 600 horsepower out of a 3800 supercharged. I won't make that claim because I don't know the real answer. Just because an engine builder tells you it has 350 horsepower, doesn't mean it stand up to it. If you choose to believe everything you hear in life, then you're in for some rude awakenings. Just like the type that many V8 owners have had once they dyno their car and find the horsepower is no where near what was estimated.

If you just post the modifications done to the car and don't put any times or horsepower claims, you will never see me make any comments about it. Stick to the facts and everyone's happy. It's when owners claim something like "350/400" and don't provide any proof, we all can come to the conclusion it's a BS claim. There's enough history of this being true that it's a safe assumption at this point.


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I don't see where posting a dyno sheet would be anything but a target for more trolls asking why it didn't do better.



The real target is posting claims you can't back up. I'd be happy to point you to threads where the numbers were lower than expected but credit was given for making the effort to substantiate the claims.
bmwguru JAN 08, 08:09 PM
I took my hp rating off my sig because it's really none of your business what I'm turning....and when it was posted I listed it 2hp LESS than it made on the dyno. They're just numbers. A lot has to do with the driver, as well. When I run my turbo VR6 at the track, I'll be putting it up for a "no time". If you want to find out what it does, put some money up and we'll run straight up.
Geesh, I got into Fieros to get away from the "bigger thing contest."
I just enjoy building mid engined cars that are fun to drive.
Dave

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summerjim JAN 08, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by bmwguru:

I took my hp rating off my sig because it's really none of your business what I'm turning. When I run my turbo VR6 at the track, I'll be putting it up for a "no time". If you want to find out what it does, put some money up and we'll run straight up.
Geesh, I got into Fieros to get away from the "bigger thing contest."
I just enjoy building mid engined cars that are fun to drive.



Exactly my point, Dave. I'm not interested in the "mine's bigger than yours" game. Posting artificial (or estimated) numbers is that very game and why I don't believe in posting numbers unless you've actually run the tests to back it up.

A little friendly competition is always good to get the emotions rolling. If you choose not to publicize your numbers, that's your right. Just like I won't ask you how big your tool is, I won't ask you what it puts out for horsepower or time either. I think that's all that any one is asking for here: don't make claims you can't back up.
California Kid JAN 08, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by summerjim:


What are the reasons SBC Fieros can't post dyno slips then?




Dyno's are subjective testing, and not all dyno's give you the same numbers, there is also an issue of correct calibration, and when it was last performed. The only way you positively know if you have more horse power than someone else is the run on the same dyno right after the other car is run.

As said many times on this Forum, when you have a car running 12's without all the "Drag Goodies", you certainly don't feel the need to visit the Quarter Mile Track, or pay a visit to the Dyno Shop if you know you have a pretty good tune to start with.

The same holds true for time slips, you can't compare who's fastest by comparing slips here on the forum, unless there from same track, same conditions, same day run. Doesn't matter what you post, someone's not going to believe it, and tries to make a big deal out of it, especially if it's better than what he or she has accomplished with their car. Welcome to the internet, where some people just like to stir things up. If you don't believe someone, that's fine, then post "Nice car, but I don't believe your claim." and let it go.
summerjim JAN 08, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by California Kid:


Dyno's are subjective testing, and not all dyno's give you the same numbers, there is also an issue of correct calibration, and when it was last performed. The only way you positively know if you have more horse power than someone else is the run on the same dyno right after the other car is run.

As said many times on this Forum, when you have a car running 12's without all the "Drag Goodies", you certainly don't feel the need to visit the Quarter Mile Track, or pay a visit to the Dyno Shop if you know you have a pretty good tune to start with.

The same holds true for time slips, you can't compare who's fastest by comparing slips here on the forum, unless there from same track, same conditions, same day run. Doesn't matter what you post, someone's not going to believe it, and tries to make a big deal out of it, especially if it's better than what he or she has accomplished with their car. Welcome to the internet, where some people just like to stir things up. If you don't believe someone, that's fine, then post "Nice car, but I don't believe your claim." and let it go.



There won't be nearly as big of a deal made if real numbers are posted instead of phony claims. I'm not arguing that you have to post numbers, just saying that if you don't want the questions, attention or criticism, then don't post anything. Shouldn't have to say "nice car, but I don't believe your claim".