Five against one. Fair fight? Perhaps not. (Page 6/26)
Cadillac Jack MAY 30, 06:30 PM
It is truly a screwed up world or civilization or whatever when a perfectly innocent individual cannot walk down the street without being attatcked by others pregnant or not. The marine did not make the problem worse by defending himself, most likely he made it better. If he had just given up and let them kill him they wouldn't have any reason to stop what they are doing.

I, as well as others, feel sorrow for the unborn child, the child having never had the oppurtunity to do anything at all wrong. At least the baby's mother will not have to live with the fact that she killed her baby.

As screwed up as this world is I'm surprised the victum has not been arrested for keeping himself alive. If we had a few more like him around, this world would not be so screwed up.

If you're there marine, my hat comes off to you. Thank you, both for serving in our military and for defending yourself against the scum that make this world screwed up. While others are whining about it, you are doing somehting about.
Scott-Wa MAY 30, 07:06 PM
I'd bet the pregnency was detected during the autopsy or was a misreporting by the media... I'm not sure how you detect a pregnency at 2 weeks, I didn't think most tests worked til you got closer to a month. But... at 2 weeks the embryo is just two layers of cells.

Anyways... it doesn't matter, the girl is dead. She won't be participating in anymore armed robberies. Her friends might rethink their life choices also. Sucks it had to happen, but it was their choice. Wouldn't be any better of a story if someone else died.

I'm glad the marine is ok.
Patrick MAY 30, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by under8ted:

if she is old enough to point a shotgun she is old enough to take the consequenses.




Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to the news story that states she was pointing a shotgun.

Oh wait, forget about it. Facts aren't important.

Let's spice up the story a little more - I heard she got off about five rounds before she got taken out. And that was after she ran out of ammo for the AK-47. Then there was the grenade launcher that the other guy had, and the unborn baby was packing a pistol...
Jake_Dragon MAY 30, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to the news story that states she was pointing a shotgun.

Oh wait, forget about it. Facts aren't important.

Let's spice up the story a little more - I heard she got off about five rounds before she got taken out. And that was after she ran out of ammo for the AK-47. Then there was the grenade launcher that the other guy had, and the unborn baby was packing a pistol...



It doesn’t matter if she had a gun or not, she was with someone that did and after that person was unarmed she jumped the guy. Now if you are jumped would you take the time to find out if they have a gun or not?
It doesn’t matter if she wasn’t the one holding the gun, as soon as one of them pointed a gun at him they were all considered armed. Why would anyone think differently in the same situation? He should have taken the gun away from them and arrested them.
Patrick MAY 30, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

It doesn’t matter ...




That's the sad part, it doesn't matter to some of you. It doesn't matter to some of you that someone makes a totally erroneous statement in this thread and you accept it - lock, stock, and barrel. Someday the bullsh!t may be about you, but it doesn't matter...

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Formula88 MAY 30, 07:44 PM
There's video on the page I linked to. They've been adding updates as the story progressed. According to the video, they think they were members of a gang and this might have been an initiation.

So to keep things in perspective, that's a pregnant teenage gang banger attempting armed robbery. (and yes, you don't have to be the one holding the gun for it to be armed robbery if your accompliss has one)
Patrick MAY 30, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:

So to keep things in perspective, that's a pregnant teenage gang banger attempting armed robbery. (and yes, you don't have to be the one holding the gun for it to be armed robbery if your accompliss has one)




So who's arguing that point?

All I'm asking for is to keep our posts here factual, just in case anyone else cares...
Cadillac Jack MAY 30, 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


That's the sad part, it doesn't matter to some of you. It doesn't matter to some of you that someone makes a totally erroneous statement in this thread and you accept it - lock, stock, and barrel. Someday the bullsh!t may be about you, but it doesn't matter...

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



The facts matter very much to me, and the fact is she did not have a shotgun. But does that make her a victim? Should she be allowed to attack people without a gun? Should we not be allowed to protect ourselves, by any means necessary, when physically attacked by others? Should the marine have fought back less hard? Should he have asked if she was pregnant? If so, how does one determine the exact amount of force to use when defending one's self from death? In that situation how can you be sure she doesn't have a knife, a shank, a razor, a handgun or whatever. Do you believe she is less dangerous because she's female and/or pregnant. Do you believe she is responsible for her actions, or did you or I or the marine somehow cause her to attack? You haven't said so but when I read what you have written I feel that is what you believe. If I'm mistaken and my thoughts/questions offend you, I apologize in advance.
Patrick MAY 30, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Cadillac Jack:

...but when I read what you have written I feel that is what you believe.




Jack, read over all my posts in this thread (both pages) without any preconceived notions. If you still have questions for me, I'll answer them.
Raydar MAY 30, 08:47 PM
One of the reports from WGST in Atlanta is that they are now saying that the girl wasn't pregnant.

Edit - All of the local news webpages are no longer saying that she was pregnant.

Here's the most detailed account that I can find...

(AP) -- A former Marine cook fatally stabbed one teenager and wounded a second while fending off a robbery by a group of youths armed with two guns and a pair of brass knuckles. Police spokeswoman Silvia Abernathy says 36-year-old Thomas Autry acted in self-defense when the suspects jumped him around 11 p-m last night, and he will NOT face charges. Abernathy says the victim was fearing for his life when he struck back with a pocket knife he had. The girl he stabbed, 17-year-old Amy Martin, was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital. The accomplice who was wounded, 17-year-old Christopher Daniel, was listed in critical condition at Atlanta Medical Center. Daniel and three other youths involved in the robbery -- a 16-year-old and 17-year-olds Kendall Barksdale and Christopher Hayes -- were charged with aggravated assault and armed robbery. The day after the attack, Autry, cigar in his mouth and bandage on his index finger, returned to his girlfriend's apartment, where he had the locks changed. He told reporters he doesn't feel like a hero. Autry, who was stationed in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War, says he tried to flee his attackers but they caught him and one of them pointed a gun at him. Police say the suspects, armed with a shotgun, handgun and brass knuckles, jumped on Autry and tried to rob him. After the attack, the suspects ran back to their car and drove off. Police found them later at a hospital, where the teenage girl died. According to the autopsy, she had suffered a single stab wound to the chest. Autry suffered a cut to his hand and a bruise on his chest. Police are investigating whether the youths were involved in other unsolved robberies in the area, but investigators have yet to connect them to any. (05/30/06 @ 6:30pm)

[This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 05-30-2006).]