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Darth Fiero
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DEC 05, 05:22 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by FastFieros: I would have just said "ryan, please call me to resolve this issue about ME calling Pete".
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Why did you not just leave that message in the first place? Why the insulting tone and message? Sounds to me like YOU are the one that has a problem communicating professionally. I remember my 1+hour phone call with you. That conversation started out with you communicating a poor attitude and insulting me then followed by excuses why we were having programming issues. Professional customer service my ARSE! The way I see it Loyde owes me a public apology for calling me a theif of the Fiero community and all of the personal insults he has thrown at me. I have never insulted Loyde publically or privately so I don't know why he felt the need to do it to me. I too am sorry this thread had to get posted but I am not going to stand idley by while the people in the Fiero community are mislead. Again Loyde, you know you have these software problems... Why have you not updated your website to reflect the fact that you have these issues? Why didn't you tell me until we already got the PCM?
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jscott1
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DEC 05, 05:31 PM
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I withdraw my comments...I just hope you two come to an agreement. [This message has been edited by jscott1 (edited 12-05-2004).]
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Darth Fiero
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DEC 05, 05:43 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by jscott1:
I trailered my car from Houston Texas to London Ontario for an engine swap, and drove it home 2000 miles. If my installer had asked me for an extra $40 to fix a problem I don't think I would have gone on a tirade like this. I'll paypal you the $40 if it will make you happy.
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This isn't just about the $40. Its about the fact that a vendor we trusted misrepresented a product or services they could provide, then when questioned about it I got insults. You think that is fair?
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jscott1
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DEC 05, 05:49 PM
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.. [This message has been edited by jscott1 (edited 12-05-2004).]
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Darth Fiero
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DEC 05, 05:53 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by jscott1: You two will have to work that out for yourselves. We weren't there to know why kind of tone of voice were used whether it was professional or insulting. But since you brought this out in the public you are making this our business. I know Loyde and the kind of guy he is and I would trust him to work on my car. Period. |
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That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. However lets be clear that I was not the first one who brought this into the public forum.
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revin
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DEC 05, 05:54 PM
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Ryan(darth) I have gotten some very helpful info from you! I thank ya for that. Loyde (fastfiero) I bought my engine from ya as well as tons of help with the swap.
I have always seen you BOTH as very helpful indivuals but in two ways....
Darth has been the ODBI guy
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Loyde the ODBII guy since BOTH of you are "tuners" you should BOTH know that it is a science to do these reprogramings! Darth, you problably had a few mistakes when you were first getting the programs down to a "T", now you may not have any / few !? Loyde basicly the same thing !....
I did have my 98 PCM reprogramed by Loyde BUT that was with him HAVING the car and the PCM together, working / running together ( which is the proper way to have it done ) correct?????
I am very happy with it no errors and I PASSED THE EMMISSIONS TESTING HERE!! I just think that darth should just program a "chip" (if possible for a 2002) and go the ODBI way you are used to. if that can't be done then refer your customer to a "reprogramer" that could do it.
just let the customer know the trouble with the newer reprograming issues. and good luck finding a reprogramer that is "cheap" enough for your customer Loyde, seems you have done what you though was the right thing. sometimes you can never please everyone. the main thing in my mind is ...YOU TRIED. that says alot as well and darth should see that, even if he is mad. Said it before.... Darth = ODBI
Loyde = ODBII
(BOTH ...for now) ------------------
98 3800SC, Getrag 5sp. only one in Austin Texas and surrounding areas
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Darth Fiero
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DEC 05, 06:02 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by revin: I just think that darth should just program a "chip" (if possible for a 2002) and go the ODBI way you are used to. if that can't be done then refer your customer to a "reprogramer" that could do it.
just let the customer know the trouble with the newer reprograming issues. and good luck finding a reprogramer that is "cheap" enough for your customer |
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The customer had already purchased an L67 and 4T65-E by the time I was approached to do the swap (use of the 4T65-E trans requires an OBDII computer). I had considered switching to OBDI and using a 4T60-E, but the information Loyde had posted on his website about his tuning abilities made that sound like a better alternative. After all, we were using a BONE STOCK ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION, not like he was going to have to tune a 600hp firebreathing monster.
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Loyde, seems you have done what you though was the right thing. sometimes you can never please everyone. the main thing in my mind is ...YOU TRIED. that says alot as well and darth should see that, even if he is mad.Said it before.... Darth = ODBI
Loyde = ODBII
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I have had my share of learning experiences and growning pains in the tuning gig. Everyone knows this. I explain this in PLAIN ENGLISH on my website and to my customers before ANY money is paid to me. Obvisously the times are changing and it is time for me to step up and start doing OBDII for myself. However there are some people that just can't stand to have competition, or so it seems. What other reason would Loyde have for contacting the "owners" of DHP and trying to get my OBDII tuning software license revoked? What kind of BS is that? [This message has been edited by Darth Fiero (edited 12-05-2004).]
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MstangsBware
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DEC 05, 06:15 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by MstangsBware: Just another waste of space here on PFF, if its not one flame its another. Why can ppl not just grow up and handle there business on thier own instead of putting it on all over the net. This Forum is going downhill fast and has been for the last several months. I am sure this thread will be at least 2 pages long by tomorrow but hopefully Cliff will kill it before it gets to much farther. I could make several quotes to the above statements but it wouldnt make a differance. All I can say is everytime I have called Lyode, he has been very helpful and has never once turned me away. I have seen his work personally and am very impressed by it and the knowledge he has for the Fiero and the L-67. So with that, everybody take your wallet out, look at your birthdate on you Drv License and start acting your age. O yeah---And dont beleive everything you read, it just may not be true. |
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Ok--this is my last reply to this topic and the last time I even open it up to read. I just want to bring up what I said in my very first post from last night being that it all came true. This Thread bacically has turned into a flame war and I am sure it will continue until it hits the trashcan. It has also hit page in the amount of time that I said, actually in less time than I expected. So with that, best wishes to everyone and have a HAPPY HOLIDAY.
And Of Course.........From this post I have recieved 19 new ratings(WOW--is that a record of some sort).........I know some are good from a few Pms that I recived but I am sure some are bad...........either way I am a diehard Fiero Fan and will remain that way either on the Forum or off........................O yeah---and 88's rule..........Pre-88's bite...............Just my opinion of course.............
[This message has been edited by MstangsBware (edited 12-05-2004).]
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Formula88
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DEC 05, 06:19 PM
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Darth, thank you for the warning about Loyde.
Loyde, thank you for adding your side of the story.Now, is that what this thread is about, or is the arguing going to continue until one person feels they've convinced everyone that they're right and the other's wrong? Because that's not likely to happen. You know this from every thread like this that has been posted in the past. The warning has been duely noted. Now, I hope you 2 can work this out privately.
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Darth Fiero
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DEC 05, 06:23 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Formula88: The warning has been duely noted. Now, I hope you 2 can work this out privately. |
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I am still willing to work this out privately. However, I think Loyde's actions in trying to get my OBDII tuning software license revoked is proof that he is not willing to work this out. I hope I am wrong. [This message has been edited by Darth Fiero (edited 12-05-2004).]
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