I think we all need to cheer Archie up... (Page 6/20)
edhering JUL 17, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by LZeitgeist:

The week I had my car up there to have my convertible kit installed, that happened to be the only free week he's had all Spring and Summer, so it was either come up then or wait until late August, and at that time, he had ten V8 jobs scheduled. From where I'm lookin', seems like his bottom line is pretty safe.


Ten! Woot! Go Archie!

Ed

California Kid JUL 17, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Fiero:

The problem is he gets on here and has this attitude that everyone is out to get him and make his business fail. What he fails to see is that if he is capable of running a successful business outside of the internet, then he has nothing to worry about that gets said here on the internet. I just don't see how jumping up and down on people's heads is going to help his business.



Just to give you another opinion, I don't see it that way. While Archie does have a Fiero related Business, I don't see him coming on here as a "Salesman" trying to push his products on anyone. If that were the case, you'd see one heck of a lot more posts from him. On the other hand, the internet is a Marketing Tool, where unfounded slams against someone can change opinions formed by some people, and defense is warranted under these conditions. Lastly, I think when Archie posts here, he is like most of us, just talking cars because he enjoys talking cars, he's speaking as an individual most of the time, not a Business Man. If you get an individual stirred up on the internet, be prepared for some severe back-lash, that's just the way it is. You'd have to sit in Archie's chair for a couple months to fully realize just how much crap he's had to take from some people. Frankly, I'm sure that anyone that's talked to him on a serious business level understands what I'm trying to say here. That's my perception, I don't think I'm much off the mark, although I don't know him personally, and haven't done business with him. I'm just calling it like I see it.
California Kid JUL 17, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by Mastermind:

But ones principles should not be determined by a popularity contest. Which reminds me of a saying......What's popular is not always right and what's right is not always popular" thus the hot water as you put it.



I don't, and I'm sure most Members don't believe the Rating System is a meaure of Popularity, but a measure of Contribution to the Forum. Heck, I can like a guy, but that doesn't mean I automatically give him a + . By the same token, I can dislike someone, but that doesn't mean I'm going to rate him - . If you look at how many posts some people have, you'll notice that ratings are given considerable thought before someone pushes the button to submit it (other wise you see a heck of a lot more votes in either direction).

Regarding your post a couple lines up, I Think the Forum should take a poll vote, on which one of us suits that picture the best !

edit: Using the Forest Gump line: " And that's all I've got to say about that ! "

[This message has been edited by California Kid (edited 07-17-2004).]

Mastermind JUL 17, 01:45 AM

Calikid, as I said before. I don't have an issue with you. And I would hope ratings are not popularity driven. However, I believe the reality is many people are giving ratings without having a true understanding or closely reading the threads that precipitated our disagreements. The following link is to a thread that shows Archie attacking me unprovoked.

www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043622.html

Archie's behavior is reminscent of the soup chef on Seinfeld. One rude, crude, dude. Fine, if that's his personality but don't act as tho he's the second coming and without sin. Supporters of this only insure that behavior will continue unabated.

California Kid JUL 17, 02:07 AM
I already responded to that link on page 1 of this thread that you posted. How do you figure it was an unprovoked attack, when you had already provoked him in other previous Threads??? Just curious!

edit: I'm out of here.

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I'm Back JUL 17, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by Formula88:

Consider it a little experiment. Stop whining and moaning about Archie and posting in his threads or trying to stir up crap about him in other threads and see if he still kicks your dog, so to speak.

His work doesn't give him license to go off on people. But when people go off on him, it's stupid to expect him not to respond.


"Well, then, Ed, what gives others the right to give Archie crap?
I'd wager if people who don't like Archie or his swaps would leave him alone and stop trolling for him, they'd find themselves in his crosshairs much less - if at all."

Find themselves in his crosshairs? That's delegation of a higher authority (elitism), which I think is what gets some people. Certain people have cast upon them royalty staus by others and I think that's what this thread is about. I've experienced it and seen it several times where Archie does go off on people and the troops rally around regardless of who strikes the first/worst blow. If you want to disagree that Archie has a groupy-like following, that's fine, but the masses see it. Like I stated earlier, I'm basing everything on my initial phone experience with him, but I was fair and stated that he might have been tired. I'm not here to rehash anything, which is why I'm being very descent, but the proof that their is acult-like following is evident with some of the people comming out and feircly defending him when I'm not attacking, and many others aren't either. Ok, if Archie is PFF and general Fiero community royalty, that's fine, but the next question would be whether we have a democracy or a monarchy here, as in; can the prince/king be criticized, or is that forbidden? That's my point, in America we can call the president a liar, in England you can't call the Queen a ho.

I'm Back JUL 17, 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

Don't forget as well that he was a major sponsor of Wheatstock, particularly the track day. He paid for 5 spots for the track day. $500, cash up front. He said they were for the first 5 of his customers that wanted to claim them. ONE person took advantage of his generosity. He didn't whine and moan about it, he didn't ask for his money back. To top THAT off, when I was chatting with him one day (ordering a front battery box for the Finale), I mentioned that I hated to ask him about sponsoring a class for the show because he'd already donated a lot, but that I also didn't want to deny him the chance to donate for the kit car class if he wanted. I told him there was no pressure, it was up to him, and I just wanted him to know about it. He didn't bat an eye and donated to sponsor the kit car class at the show as well.

He didn't have to do that, not any of it, but he did.

John Stricker


"Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Archie has helped me, and a lot of other people, and long before I spent a penny with him. It was BECAUSE of that help that I DID finally buy a Finale kit."

Just my personal experience, which I guess I have no right to

"Now how much have YOU given back to the community, Ed?"

This isn't about me; I could be the best guy around or the biggest SOB and that wouldn't affect what Archie does/did/contributes/etc... But what do I do? I've contributed twice to PFF. I've given parts away, I've sold some, I've established friendships and I've helped people with info. I won't ask what you have or have not done, as that is not the issue either. Hey, of course Archie has furthered the Fiero and has done much for the Fiero community; does that give him license to fly off and use his influence to exclude people?

I'm Back JUL 17, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by Mastermind:
Finally, I challenge all Archie supporters that are pointing me out as a "instigator" to post a link to an example to support your allegations. And I'll bet 99.9% of the time it will reveal Archie as the true instigator. Fair enough?

BTW here is a quote and the link of Archie chasing me over the forum to harrass.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043622.html




"I find some of these replies incredulous as I read them in absolute amazement. Many of these replies read as "I don't know all the facts but I'm gonna defend Archie only because it's Archie.""

Which is my point too. The clones look to defend first, ask why later. Noble, but not intelligent.

"While others read, "I'm doing or I've done a V8 swap so I want to stay in Archie's good graces in case I need him for something." "

Perhaps.

"Why does his supporters only focus on his swap business and kit? I don't have a problem with him doing V8 swaps. I say again, my major problem is his crass, rude, juvenile behavior totally unbefitting of someone who has achieved so much. Archie's behavior is reminscent of the soup chef on Seinfeld. One rude, crude, dude. Fine, if that's his personality but don't act as tho he's the second coming and without sin. Supporters of this only insure that behavior will continue unabated."

Good analogy; No swap for you!!!

"Darth Fiero, I have much respect for you, in part because your very smart and know your stuff. But also because you can articulate your intellect without insulting those you are trying to help."

Ya, but it's not received that way and the clones will want to vote him out.

I'm Back JUL 17, 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by California Kid:

NO THAT'S NOT FAIR ENOUGH !!! Why should any of us go through more work digging out the posts you've made, that we've already read to form our opinion of you ???? YOU GO BACK AND READ EVERYTHING YOU'VE POSTED, BUT FIRST, REMOVE THE BIG CHIP FROM YOUR SHOULDER WHEN READING THEM, AND TRY TO LOOK AT IT FROM AN OUTSIDE VIEW POINT.

And how nice of you to post Archie's response, which he posted "after you really pi$$ed him off". What the heck does that prove???


"You know, you can keep carrying on with this if you want, but I've noticed each time you post, your rating number goes up, and the green bar looks like it's shrinking. Think about it."

And ya see, that's the point; believe as the majority does or shut up/go away. The funny thing is that these same people that espouse these types of opinions (pro-believe as the masses do) are the ones chanting about the essence of being able to freely express yourself. Again, in the essence sense, not Constitutional.

I'm Back JUL 17, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by California Kid:

Funny, I don't notice hardly any posts on this Forum where people are intentionally posting to 'suck up' to the group, Mastermind did though, after he buried himself.

Normally I don't speak out too much here, but I'm getting pretty tired of reading some of the crap posted. You might say, you don't have to read it, my response: you have to read it to determine if it's crap or not. Most of us come here to share out interest in the Fiero and discover what other are doing with their cars, it's a nice way to spent some idle time, or do some research. If the Forum goes "uncontrolled" by it's Members, it won't be very long before it's shut down, or the quality of people left here won't be worth the visit.


"You should look up Fascism up in the Dictionary. Just my opinion, but I see that as a very extreme left wing view of what goes on here at Pennocks, and could only be perceived like that by a troubled mind."

Fascism is a fascinating ideology. I've done a bit of reading about it and have a general handle on it, although it is a new and very aloof ideology. What is fascinating about it is that its roots started with Socialism and Communism, but have now mutated and reject most of those notions. Generally, control of an entire society from its sociological views to its control of labor by the government (which is Communistic) defines Fascism. It's the most interesting an unknown of all the, "isms."

Fascism has evolved - "I am skeptical of efforts to produce a "definition" of fascism. As a dynamic historical current, fascism has taken many different forms, and has evolved dramatically in some ways."

It's very right-wing inthe contemporary sense - "Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties."

See, it envokes a leader to go against a counter-cause, as in cult fashion - "Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward."

Again, more of the same - "It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state."

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

It's a neat site. In general, the dictionary doesn't do much good with the dynamics of Fascism. It's like trying to explain why you love your spouse in the dictionary. The encyclopedia, to say the least, would be the minimum way I would define it.